Diamond said:That's very strange, the catalogue refers to LS135's as one piece bodies, and all the one's I've seen don't have a centre seam like that.
mudbone said:I think it's insane that it's so difficult to identify these guitar with any certainty given the huge differences in price. Why don't Tokai make it easy ?
Anyhow, due to these uncertainties and the attitude of the people in the shop I've decided to give it a miss. Although it played very well the pickups were really really bad. The neck pickup sounded as sharp as most bridge pick ups so you can imagine what the bridge pickup sounded like.
Thanks for all your help but I think I'll be avoiding these guitars - Tokais are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
togps said:Kurosawagakki do refer to a 2009 LS135F
Diamond do refer to a 2006 LS135; nowadays LS150
mudbone said:I think it's insane that it's so difficult to identify these guitar with any certainty given the huge differences in price. Why don't Tokai make it easy ?
Anyhow, due to these uncertainties and the attitude of the people in the shop I've decided to give it a miss. Although it played very well the pickups were really really bad. The neck pickup sounded as sharp as most bridge pick ups so you can imagine what the bridge pickup sounded like.
Thanks for all your help but I think I'll be avoiding these guitars - Tokais are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
Diamond said:mattim said:For 600? LS135 is still a bargain.
Matti
It's a very good price for an LS135, but a 135 has a one piece body, and the one in question has a two piece, so it must be a LS90.
Here's the really funny part, 600? is a good price for an LS90.
Diamond said:mudbone said:I think it's insane that it's so difficult to identify these guitar with any certainty given the huge differences in price. Why don't Tokai make it easy ?
Anyhow, due to these uncertainties and the attitude of the people in the shop I've decided to give it a miss. Although it played very well the pickups were really really bad. The neck pickup sounded as sharp as most bridge pick ups so you can imagine what the bridge pickup sounded like.
Thanks for all your help but I think I'll be avoiding these guitars - Tokais are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
The pickups are excellent...the neck pickup is one of the sweetest Les Paul tones I've ever heard, and I'm comparing it to Gibson Les Paul pickups in a side by side test through the same amp.
Also compared the MK2 pickups to a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates and SD 59, again the MK2 were virtually identical...Im not sure what amp you played it through or what pickups were in the guitar you played...in fact I'm not even sure you played a Tokai...what country you in?
Tokais are not like a box of chocolates, in fact you know EXACTLY what you're going to get, a perfect guitar, every time.
Diamond said:Btw, most of us here will identify the difference between an LS135/150 and an LS90 in 10 seconds flat...just allow us to actually see and hold the guitar...don't slate Tokais because the morons in the shop you went into were clueless.
Axchisler said:Diamond said:mudbone said:I think it's insane that it's so difficult to identify these guitar with any certainty given the huge differences in price. Why don't Tokai make it easy ?
Anyhow, due to these uncertainties and the attitude of the people in the shop I've decided to give it a miss. Although it played very well the pickups were really really bad. The neck pickup sounded as sharp as most bridge pick ups so you can imagine what the bridge pickup sounded like.
Thanks for all your help but I think I'll be avoiding these guitars - Tokais are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.
The pickups are excellent...the neck pickup is one of the sweetest Les Paul tones I've ever heard, and I'm comparing it to Gibson Les Paul pickups in a side by side test through the same amp.
Also compared the MK2 pickups to a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates and SD 59, again the MK2 were virtually identical...Im not sure what amp you played it through or what pickups were in the guitar you played...in fact I'm not even sure you played a Tokai...what country you in?
Tokais are not like a box of chocolates, in fact you know EXACTLY what you're going to get, a perfect guitar, every time.
I wouldn't be so confidant. I have two LS's with the same pups and they sound very different. The 230 I bought from clay49 was very bright with Classic 57's so I bought a set of MKII's. It warmed it up but is still brighter than my 100Q. Granted the 230 is a Koa top but it stands to reason koa should be warmer than maple. Clay felt the same way, see here-
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14729&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
While I like the warmer 100 many of you may like the brighter 230 better, all a matter of taste. It may have sounded "blah" to clay49 (who hasn't responded to my post) but it may be just what some of you are looking for. My point is, they all play awesome from what I can tell, but don't expect them all to sound the same. There is more going on than just pups.
Axchisler said:Diamond said:The pickups are excellent...the neck pickup is one of the sweetest Les Paul tones I've ever heard, and I'm comparing it to Gibson Les Paul pickups in a side by side test through the same amp.
Also compared the MK2 pickups to a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates and SD 59, again the MK2 were virtually identical...Im not sure what amp you played it through or what pickups were in the guitar you played...in fact I'm not even sure you played a Tokai...what country you in?
I wouldn't be so confidant. I have two LS's with the same pups and they sound very different. The 230 I bought from clay49 was very bright with Classic 57's so I bought a set of MKII's. It warmed it up but is still brighter than my 100Q. Granted the 230 is a Koa top but it stands to reason koa should be warmer than maple. Clay felt the same way, see here-
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14729&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
While I like the warmer 100 many of you may like the brighter 230 better, all a matter of taste. It may have sounded "blah" to clay49 (who hasn't responded to my post) but it may be just what some of you are looking for. My point is, they all play awesome from what I can tell, but don't expect them all to sound the same. There is more going on than just pups.
JVsearch said:Axchisler said:Diamond said:The pickups are excellent...the neck pickup is one of the sweetest Les Paul tones I've ever heard, and I'm comparing it to Gibson Les Paul pickups in a side by side test through the same amp.
Also compared the MK2 pickups to a Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates and SD 59, again the MK2 were virtually identical...Im not sure what amp you played it through or what pickups were in the guitar you played...in fact I'm not even sure you played a Tokai...what country you in?
I wouldn't be so confidant. I have two LS's with the same pups and they sound very different. The 230 I bought from clay49 was very bright with Classic 57's so I bought a set of MKII's. It warmed it up but is still brighter than my 100Q. Granted the 230 is a Koa top but it stands to reason koa should be warmer than maple. Clay felt the same way, see here-
http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14729&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
While I like the warmer 100 many of you may like the brighter 230 better, all a matter of taste. It may have sounded "blah" to clay49 (who hasn't responded to my post) but it may be just what some of you are looking for. My point is, they all play awesome from what I can tell, but don't expect them all to sound the same. There is more going on than just pups.
It's a blinking black art pickup matching to a guitar! Individual resonance peaks in the wood at certain frequencies may be increased or lowered depending on where in the frequency spectrum the pickup has peaks or troughs in its output. You just have to try a few (which you're doing) with your whole rig, and at the volumes you usually play at.
For brightness though, you could lower the pot values, or if the guitar is 50's wired change it to modern wiring maybe.
I played a small gig last weekend, and I think I could have used some extra brightness with the set up I had on the day.
Diamond said:I wonder how many guys who criticize certain pickups are actually testing them at gigging volume in a live situation?
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