Paladin2019
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space_114 said:Copying is fraud
No it's not, and until you understand why you really shouldn't be arguing the point.
space_114 said:Copying is fraud
space_114 said:Ok ... Talk is cheap so i have posted a link to my four Les Pauls , My Black Beauty EPI , My 2007 Gibson Standard and My 2005 Canadian Tokai/Fakai Goldtop and my 2004 Cdn Tokai / Fakai Zakk Wylde ... I can honestly say owning the best of all worlds the Gibson sounds the best , The Zakk Plays and feels the best followed by my Gold Top followed by my EPI Black Beauty ... all nice .. but . bang for the buck the Tokai / Fakai's win hands down ! Cheers !! :wink:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/space_114/Blower/P1150262.jpg
JVsearch said:I don't entirely agree with Grecoburst's comments.
But I do think MIK Tokais are stupid. Not quality-wise, (I wouldn't know anyway because I will never spend my money on one) but just as a really rubbish move. Great idea, use the Tokai name to sell a MIK guitar that you don't even build. Was there even a Tokai guy in that Korean factory to do QC? Why are they even Tokais? Maybe only one reason - they are made with permission. They didn't even come in much lower in price than the lowest Japan model.
They're made by some factory who tendered for a contract, so I can understand the argument when comparing them with the fakes, because, apparently the fakes are made by the same factory under a contract from somebody else! :lol:
greco_burst said:space_114 said:Ok ... Talk is cheap so i have posted a link to my four Les Pauls , My Black Beauty EPI , My 2007 Gibson Standard and My 2005 Canadian Tokai/Fakai Goldtop and my 2004 Cdn Tokai / Fakai Zakk Wylde ... I can honestly say owning the best of all worlds the Gibson sounds the best , The Zakk Plays and feels the best followed by my Gold Top followed by my EPI Black Beauty ... all nice .. but . bang for the buck the Tokai / Fakai's win hands down ! Cheers !! :wink:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/space_114/Blower/P1150262.jpg
You really are pathetic, with your references to MIK Tokai v Fake, what a piss weak comparison.
You carry on here with your bandstanding about FAKES in threads, and have the nerve to say the wood in a MIK Tokai is crappy, and you say your FAKE is sooooo goooood! again....a piss weak comparison.
First of all, the MIK Tokai guitar is made that way with those materials to reflect the price at the shops. Futhermore it is a licensed Tokai, again, your comments are just lame, and I am sure most members here agree, you carry on like a total tosser.
It is not illegal to copy the shape of any guitar, re Gibson v PRS, your perspicacity in guitars is displayed in your ignorance in what is right and wrong.
So, pay and play your fake guitar/s, and STOP your trolling here about 'copies'.
FAKES are not Tokai's, unless Tokai Corporation say they are.
JohnA said:Chill Greco_burst, the guy is entitled to an opinion, no need to strat name calling!
Charlie Wardick said:I've searched this forum, read all the posts about Fakai, however still unable to determine if the guitars sold a few years back by JSD that say "Manufactured under licence for Tokai Gakki Co. LTD Make in Korea" are Fakai.
I believe the answer is yes, but I don't know.[/quote
My Zakk has the ("Make in Korea) and then says "Manufactured under licence for Tokai Gakki Co. LTD & the serial number as - as received thru JSD.
My Gold top to has a very small sticker that says made in Korea & just the serial number painted in silver on the back head stock (almost all LP's a that came thru JSD had this configuration). The very first batch JSD received for some strange reason had nothing on the back of the headstock. Problem with these is to the untrained eye they look like many on the crappy Fakai's .. Weight is usally the first clue ... not many of these around anyway ..
JohnA said:greco_burst said:space_114 said:Ok ... Talk is cheap so i have posted a link to my four Les Pauls , My Black Beauty EPI , My 2007 Gibson Standard and My 2005 Canadian Tokai/Fakai Goldtop and my 2004 Cdn Tokai / Fakai Zakk Wylde ... I can honestly say owning the best of all worlds the Gibson sounds the best , The Zakk Plays and feels the best followed by my Gold Top followed by my EPI Black Beauty ... all nice .. but . bang for the buck the Tokai / Fakai's win hands down ! Cheers !! :wink:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/space_114/Blower/P1150262.jpg
You really are pathetic, with your references to MIK Tokai v Fake, what a piss weak comparison.
You carry on here with your bandstanding about FAKES in threads, and have the nerve to say the wood in a MIK Tokai is crappy, and you say your FAKE is sooooo goooood! again....a piss weak comparison.
First of all, the MIK Tokai guitar is made that way with those materials to reflect the price at the shops. Futhermore it is a licensed Tokai, again, your comments are just lame, and I am sure most members here agree, you carry on like a total tosser.
It is not illegal to copy the shape of any guitar, re Gibson v PRS, your perspicacity in guitars is displayed in your ignorance in what is right and wrong.
So, pay and play your fake guitar/s, and STOP your trolling here about 'copies'.
Greco .. Yeh chill .. we are talking about guitars ..Its not like i am trying to p/u your boyfriend or anything ... Don't be a dink .... I am just giving my opinion and information i have researched as fact for anyone who gives a crap . . Do u own a real gibby ? a real Tokai ? and a couple of Fakis and an EPI .. I do .. amongst many others ... just a opinion from a guy with lot's of guitars .
Chill Greco_burst, the guy is entitled to an opinion, no need to strat name calling!
space_114 said:I am just giving my opinion and information i have researched as fact?
BlueThird said:A product is a Tokai if and only if Tokai Gakki Co Ltd says it is. If they wanted to, they could put a broomstick and six pieces of elastic on a fairy penguin and call it a Tokai Love Rock. And it would be...
JVsearch said:BlueThird said:A product is a Tokai if and only if Tokai Gakki Co Ltd says it is. If they wanted to, they could put a broomstick and six pieces of elastic on a fairy penguin and call it a Tokai Love Rock. And it would be...
I wouldn't accept that contraption as a Tokai Love Rock, no matter how much they insisted on it being one. Instead, I would advise people to buy a Fakai because that would be a much better way of getting a Love Rock (or close enough anyway). :lol:
Haven't you noticed how fake stuff, copies, clones, reproductions are almost preferable to the real thing these days? It seems like that's what people want. :-?
space_114 said:JohnA said:greco_burst said:space_114 said:Ok ... Talk is cheap so i have posted a link to my four Les Pauls , My Black Beauty EPI , My 2007 Gibson Standard and My 2005 Canadian Tokai/Fakai Goldtop and my 2004 Cdn Tokai / Fakai Zakk Wylde ... I can honestly say owning the best of all worlds the Gibson sounds the best , The Zakk Plays and feels the best followed by my Gold Top followed by my EPI Black Beauty ... all nice .. but . bang for the buck the Tokai / Fakai's win hands down ! Cheers !! :wink:
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb227/space_114/Blower/P1150262.jpg
You really are pathetic, with your references to MIK Tokai v Fake, what a piss weak comparison.
You carry on here with your bandstanding about FAKES in threads, and have the nerve to say the wood in a MIK Tokai is crappy, and you say your FAKE is sooooo goooood! again....a piss weak comparison.
First of all, the MIK Tokai guitar is made that way with those materials to reflect the price at the shops. Futhermore it is a licensed Tokai, again, your comments are just lame, and I am sure most members here agree, you carry on like a total tosser.
It is not illegal to copy the shape of any guitar, re Gibson v PRS, your perspicacity in guitars is displayed in your ignorance in what is right and wrong.
So, pay and play your fake guitar/s, and STOP your trolling here about 'copies'.
Greco .. Yeh chill .. we are talking about guitars ..Its not like i am trying to p/u your boyfriend or anything ... Don't be a dink .... I am just giving my opinion and information i have researched as fact for anyone who gives a crap . . Do u own a real gibby ? a real Tokai ? and a couple of Fakis and an EPI .. I do .. amongst many others ... just a opinion from a guy with lot's of guitars .
Chill Greco_burst, the guy is entitled to an opinion, no need to strat name calling!
space_114 said:my objective all along was to provide some insight on the Cdn circumstance as many have these mainly LP's bearing the Tokai name and eventually when discoved they aren't exactly an authorized Tokai as my question was - Well.. What the hell are they ?
space_114 said:I wouldn't trust the "word" of the Tokai president if the case any further than i could dwarf toss the little guy.. .. Im not trying to be an arse ..
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