New Bacchus BST-64V on the way

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:23 pm

jacco wrote:I'm confused now; veneer, cap, slab.. I always thought if the rosewood board was flat bottomed it's called a slab board, curved (which is also thinner) is called veneer, right? So what is a cap board?
Veneer is the same as cap.....

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Post by jacco » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:41 pm

Thanks Marcus, if English is your native language it's probably obvious

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:18 pm

jacco wrote:Thanks Marcus, if English is your native language it's probably obvious
Truth be told, I've not heard the term veneer used for fretboards.... caps are also referred to with maple necks vs. solid maple.

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Post by stratman323 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:21 pm

Although people do use the word veneer to refer to a cap board, a veneer is usually a much thinner piece of decorative wood.

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Post by JohnA » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:32 pm

jacco wrote:Thanks Marcus, if English is your native language it's probably obvious
Marcus' native language is American, but his English is quite good :wink:

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Post by youami » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:48 pm

Cool guitar Marcus! Love those Bacchus strats... I should never have sold mine. Very good price too!

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:05 pm

You guys are making me giddy with excitement.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:00 am

The term veneer is the one I've always heard and used, but I guess it has fallen out of favour because it alludes to one of the (at the time) undesirable design changes applied to the Fender Strat. However, people realised (or came to believe) that the veneer boards had a slightly different tone to the earlier slab boards and that this was a good tone (for some).

It's all here:
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/62strat.html
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by stratman323 » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:55 am

JVsearch wrote:The term veneer is the one I've always heard and used, but I guess it has fallen out of favour because it alludes to one of the (at the time) undesirable design changes applied to the Fender Strat. However, people realised (or came to believe) that the veneer boards had a slightly different tone to the earlier slab boards and that this was a good tone (for some).

It's all here:
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/62strat.html
Fender didn't change to a cap board to improve the sound, Leo believed that the differential expansion of the two woods would be less of a problem if a thinner slice of rosewood was used. As it turns out, neither slab nor cap boards have proved to be a problem, so he was worrying about nothing. But Leo loved to fiddle.

I defy anyone to tell the difference in sound in a blindfolded test.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to that article - he describes a white rosewood board Strat as a "Mary Kaye", but the Mary Kaye Strats had maple necks.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:48 pm

stratman323 wrote:
JVsearch wrote:The term veneer is the one I've always heard and used, but I guess it has fallen out of favour because it alludes to one of the (at the time) undesirable design changes applied to the Fender Strat. However, people realised (or came to believe) that the veneer boards had a slightly different tone to the earlier slab boards and that this was a good tone (for some).

It's all here:
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/62strat.html
I defy anyone to tell the difference in sound in a blindfolded test.
Heh heh heh, that's why I put "or came to believe", I bet most tone differences were from pickup heights!
stratman323 wrote:I wouldn't pay too much attention to that article - he describes a white rosewood board Strat as a "Mary Kaye", but the Mary Kaye Strats had maple necks.
That site has loads of good info about vintage Fender and Gibson guitars, and they have actually examined and photographed a good few examples of some of them. I think it seems pretty good generally (in my limited experience).
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by marcusnieman » Sat Sep 04, 2010 11:05 am

JVsearch wrote:
It's all here:
http://home.provide.net/~cfh/62strat.html
AWESOME link!! Was able to navigate to my beloved 65 for the full story on it.

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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:31 pm

marcusnieman wrote:
JVsearch wrote:
I'm not saying it isn't a BST-64, I'm saying it's Bacchus' 64 Strat which is different from many Fenders and Tokai 64s.

Exactly.... it's their version..... it's not a historical reproduction. I love the neck on the white one.... it's fairly chunky like a 65 and nothing like a 62.

On that note, on the Bacchus 62, for those of you who have or have played one, do they have the slim profile that the Fender 62's do?

Do the Bacchus 50's strats have correct V neck profiles?
I have BST62, BST54 and Tokai ST80.
I would say like this: BST62 is quite slim comparing to others, ST80 is fatter V profile and BST54 is even fatter U profile.
Unfortunatelly I can not compare to Fender, because I have only MIJ strats ;)

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Post by wulfman » Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:43 pm

Congrats on a nice looking guitar. Can I assume that this one would be similar? http://page14.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/a ... s184317896
It looks to have lots of fret wear but may be a good buy regardless if anyone is looking.

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Post by marcusnieman » Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:47 pm

Thanks.... just got here and it's minty. Feels great, sounds huge like the white one and the rosewood board is a cap / veneer and not a slab. I'll try to get some pics up in the next day or so.

That one on yahoo.jp is nice.... only difference being the tortoise shell pick guard.

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Post by Diodibuh » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:19 am

I think JohnA has quite a bargain BST for sale in EU ;)

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