which Tokai is compared to the Gibson Les Paul Standard??

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Post by TOKAI JOE » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:30 am

TOKAI JOE wrote:8) sorry mine is edited now. instead take mick's advice here. he is right.


The LP standards don't have a deep joint long tenon neck joint, i am not too sure where you got that info, it is the historics that have the long tenon and Tokai's short tenon is longer that the Gibson standard tenon and a much better joint. Gibson use a rocker joint so they can get the neck angle right which cuts production time, it is a very sloppy joint and no where as tight or well made as the Tokai neck joints.

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Post by TOKAI JOE » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:29 am

sasparilla wrote:
iidoido wrote:and how much does it cost?
it's like the gibson les paul standard or better?
The Ls150 is better compared with the Gibson Custom-Shop-Les Pauls.

In my opinion they are better than Standard-noncustom-Gibsons.

8) w/o the music cultural values and the original design value i agree
with mick here. the fair specs comparisons will be like below.
sorry guys. i like tokai but love gibson so much plus the cultural
value and the original design value, i said ls150 is about equals to
gibson les paul standard. but to compare purely by the specs,
clearly better to say ls150 equals to R8 and LP std does with ls90.




@ gibson custom shop historic 1958 reissue (plaintop) has.......

-nitro lacquer finish.
-deep neck joint.
-1 piece mahogany body& neck.
-about $4000.


@ tokai ls150 has.......

-nitro lacquer finish.
-deep neck jolint.
-1 piece mahogany body& neck.
-about $1500.


@ gibson usa les paul std has........

-nitro lacquer finish.
-no-good neck joint.
-about $2500.


@ tokai ls90 has........

-poly finish.
-good neck joint.
-about $900.





@ ls150 absolutely equals to the R8 reissue and

ls90 basically equals to gibson les paul std.

just ls90 has poly finish when les paul std has lacquer.

but les paul std dont have a good neck joint but ls90 has

a good neck joint. both ls90 and gibson les paul std have

multi piece mahogany body now.




@ the prices above are very general ideas from usa and japan.
the prices seem so much different when the country is different.




8) sorry mick. i was wrong and you are right.......j

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Post by Diamond » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:23 am

Mick - thanks for that info on the neck joints.

JOE - My catalog only has an LS90Q (Quilted Maple + Maple top), no other LS90's.

It also has the LS85F (Flamed Sycamore + Maple top).

I THINK I NEED TO GET THE CATALOG #24. :)
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Post by Diamond » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:22 pm

Thanks, JOE.

This is how I see the difference between Catalog #23 and #24.

Do you agree, JOE?

LS75(#23) = LS85 (#24) - Plain Top
LS80(#23) = LS90 (#24)- Plain Top
LS85F (#23) = LS95F (#24) - Flamed Sycamore
LS90Q(#23) = LS100Q (#24) - Quilt Maple
LS125F(#23) = LS135F (#24) - Flamed Maple
LS135(#23) = LS150 (#24) - Plain Top
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Post by TOKAI JOE » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:13 pm

8) yep. now u r right on time! all correct except ls125/135f is
actually the canadian sycamore veneered top model.
ls80 is always the tokai fine japan standard model. (now ls90)

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Post by Diamond » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:47 am

JOE, thanks for the PM, I've replied.
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Post by stratman323 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:18 am

Diamond wrote:Thanks, JOE.

This is how I see the difference between Catalog #23 and #24.

Do you agree, JOE?

LS75(#23) = LS85 (#24) - Plain Top
LS80(#23) = LS90 (#24)- Plain Top
LS85F (#23) = LS95F (#24) - Flamed Sycamore
LS90Q(#23) = LS100Q (#24) - Quilt Maple
LS125F(#23) = LS135F (#24) - Flamed Maple
LS135(#23) = LS150 (#24) - Plain Top
Welcome to the forum Diamond. I think you have just volunteered for the post of official forum catalogue & model number expert!

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Post by Diamond » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:14 am

lol, Stratman

I'm still a junior here, 15 posts and learning. :)
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Post by stratman323 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:29 am

You're already ahead of me! I can't work out the recent LS model number changes at all. Stick around, it looks like you're going to be a very useful forum member.

8)

And since you have it all worked out, I have a 2003 LR GT & I can't work out if it would have been an LS60 or LS70. What do you reckon? I think the pickups were Mk IIIs rather than Mk IIs.

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Post by Diamond » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:08 am

I cant help you, but I'm eager to see who can. :)
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Post by stratman323 » Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:35 am

Well nobody could last time I asked....

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Anyone own or tried an HB20 HummingBird?

Post by Diamond » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:25 am

HB20 or HB20T...are they cool acoustic guitars?

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Post by Axchisler » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:17 am

Time capsule bump.

Where ya goin with this Diamond?

BTW St323; I'd say LS70 GT w MKII's :wink: .

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:34 am

OK, I had decided to call it an LS70, but I thought we had established that the original pickups were Mk 3s?

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