INTERVIEW
Kazuhiko Nyuui
PGM Representative Director and President
Kazuhiko Chiyui is the president of PGM, the company that makes Van Zandt guitars. He is the key man in charge of Van Zandt quality, and is also known as a pioneer who has left a huge mark on Japanese guitar building. We spoke to him about his commitment to Van Zandt guitars.
I was so happy when I heard about it. I thought, "I can make a guitar with this pickup!"
●Please tell us what inspired you to start making Van Zandt guitars.
○About 20 years ago, when Taurus was selling pickups, I recommended them to a certain manufacturer. They made really good pickups, so I said, "Why don't you make a guitar with that?" But that manufacturer had no interest in guitars at all. I thought, "What a waste of pickups." I put one on and played it myself, and it did sound really good (laughs). Less than a year later, the president of Combat at the time introduced me to Taurus, and then it all started. I was so happy when I got the offer. "I can make a guitar with this pickup!" The way I put it together hasn't changed much since I first started making guitars, but the paint job was completely different.
●We arrived at the current extremely thin nitrocellulose lacquer coating. How did it happen?
○Van Zandt was originally made with urethane, but I immediately thought that I couldn't use urethane because of the "Neo Vintage" theme. I had tried lacquer a few times, so I knew that an all-lacquer, thin finish would be best. Whether it's a Martin or Gibson acoustic guitar, or the resonating parts of a piano, the paint on all instruments is thin. There are no instruments with a thicker paint than an electric guitar. Anyway, our paint is very thin. I don't think it's more than 50g.
●What other points did you pay particular attention to in order to realize Van Zandt's "Neo Vintage"?
○We are very particular about the assembly. Many old Fender guitars have gaps in the joints, but they still sound good. After much deliberation, we came up with the idea that the center must not wobble. We didn't show it during the factory interview because we couldn't take photos, but there is actually one more step to it. If you do that, the sound will not wobble even if there is a gap. It's the same principle as a shamisen. A shamisen is perfectly aligned. Also, we put in the truss rod very carefully. Just by changing the shape and the way it's put in, the sound changes completely. It gives off a unique metallic sound. This technique is almost here, but I can't tell you (laughs). We take an ordinary rod and take the time to make it our own.
●I understand that the neck and body are pre-processed.
○ We have them make it to our specifications, but we have them send us the truss rod before we put it in and we process it. We also process it properly once we've finished installing the frets. If we don't do that, it just won't work.
●Does Nyuui-san give such detailed instructions?
○That's right. I do the details like the truss rod myself, but I follow the instructions I get from Taurus about the specs, like the material to use, the pickups, the ideal sound, and the concept. Since it's not our brand, I try my best to make it as close as possible to Taurus' "Neo Vintage".
●Do you ever make suggestions, Mr. Nyuui?
○Yes, there is. A while ago, there was a Classic Series, and we made a guitar that reproduced the vintage Fender guitars very faithfully. It took a lot of time and effort to make, and I told them that we couldn't sell it at the same price as Van Zandt. Ours are handmade, so we don't have to worry about dust, and we can do it as long as we focus on the sound without paying too much attention to the painted parts. I often suggest this during detailed meetings.
●The nuts are made from cow bones soaked in oil. Is that a wisdom that you've acquired over the years?
○That's right. When I was making classical guitars a long time ago, I tried bamboo, ebony, and various other materials, and I ended up using cow bone, which everyone has been using for a long time. However, cow bones these days are quite porous, although it's not because of osteoporosis. Even if I buy 200 bones, I end up throwing away about 50 of them. Then I suddenly had an idea and tried boiling them in grease. Then it became a pretty hard nut (laughs). It's such a simple process, but the boiling time and all the other details are precisely determined.
●As I've been listening to you talk, I've noticed that you're a person who has inspiration. It's a person.
○The same goes for the 22-fret guitar. When I was at ESP, I made a prototype of the Char model, but about three days before a live performance, I was asked, "Can we make it 22 frets?" I wondered what to do, so I started carving it down right away, and I was like, "Oh!" I made something.
●I see. That experience is reflected in Van Zandt's guitar playing.
○Yes. And, you know, I was the one who came up with the idea of making the fingerboard 400R. At the time, I was playing fast and doing a lot of choking, and if the R was too sharp, the sound would get muffled. "It would be better if it was flatter. Char's model has flat frets with no R, but the fingerboard has R (laughs). That way, it would be easier to choke.
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●What made you decide to go down this path?
○I grew up in a village in Aomori Prefecture with a population of about 200 people, and there was one rich guy who played the guitar. That sparked my interest in instruments, and I went to a vocational school for woodworking in Hirosaki. But my older brother invited me, so I dropped out of school when I was 18.
So I started working as a mold maker, making metal casting molds. Then I started working on cars, but I was surrounded by people who were into classical guitars.
There were people who played guitars. I was thinking, "Guitars are really good," and then The Ventures became popular. Their electric guitars were selling like crazy, and they couldn't keep up with production, so they asked me to make guitar necks (laughs), and that's when I made my first guitar. After about 10 years of doing that, I was confident in my woodworking skills, so I joined Fernandes. When I joined, I was put in sales (laughs). After about three years, I was invited by independent guitar builder Masaru Kono, but then I was invited by classical string instrument maker Yukinobu Chai, who often delivered to Fernandes, and that's when I started making guitars.
●So that means you were making classical guitars up until that point?
○Yes, that's right. After that I made an electric guitar with ESP and then I thought I would make my own guitars.
●When did you establish PGM?
○That was about 36 years ago. I left ESP to go independent, and started playing guitar for Moon and Taurus, and that's how I got to where I am now.
●What kind of training do you give to the craftsmen at the factory?
○I always tell people not to rush. I never want to finish it today, because it will end up being a sloppy job. It's best to work at your normal pace. I've had a lot of people ask me to make more guitars and make a lot of cheap guitars just for the money, but I've turned them all down. You can't make that many good instruments.
●Please tell us about the future of the guitar.
○Leo Fender founded Fender in 1946. The classical guitar has been around for over 100 years, but its basic shape hasn't changed at all. Simple instruments like the four-string violin and the shamisen remain. People are still pursuing simple things like that, and they're still not satisfied, so the guitar will never go away. Also, playing the guitar is cool, isn't it? Young people everywhere like cool things, so it's not going to go away (laughs). Most young people who play the guitar do so for impure reasons, like to be popular with girls. As long as that's the case, it will always be a popular instrument.
PROFILE
Nyuui Kazuhiko: Born in Aomori Prefecture in 1945. He dropped out of a vocational school for woodworking, and after working in casting and carpentry, he joined Fernandes. After leaving the company, he learned guitar making from classical string instrument maker Chai Yukinobu. After working at ESP, he founded PGM, where he still works today. In addition to Van Zandt guitars, the factory produces its own products and Moon guitars.