Tokai made Les Paul custom models!
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The Tokai should be '79, and the Grandy should be 1989 or 1990.
Hard to know with the 90xxxxx SN if it is '89 or '90. Seems like I found pots in one and it looked to be a 90, but I would need to look for that to be sure.
What is the SN on the Grandy?
Other Grandy's
Grandy By Tokai Gallery
Hard to know with the 90xxxxx SN if it is '89 or '90. Seems like I found pots in one and it looked to be a 90, but I would need to look for that to be sure.
What is the SN on the Grandy?
Other Grandy's
Grandy By Tokai Gallery
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The last Les Paul custom in the post is mine! SN 9001787
Cool.
That Grandy is not a 1979 guitar though. It is 1989 or 1990.
That double split diamond first appears in 1985.
Those GOTOH tuners are not seen on Tokais before 1985
There are no Grandy's that I have ever seen before 1985.
As an aside, there was a disruption in production in 1985, and LC models vanish after 1985 and don't reappear until 1989/90.
1990s Double Split Diamond LC Gallery
If you still have the original pots in SN 9001787 they should have a date code that could potentially sort out if it is 1989 or 1990.
That Grandy is not a 1979 guitar though. It is 1989 or 1990.
That double split diamond first appears in 1985.
Those GOTOH tuners are not seen on Tokais before 1985
There are no Grandy's that I have ever seen before 1985.
As an aside, there was a disruption in production in 1985, and LC models vanish after 1985 and don't reappear until 1989/90.
1990s Double Split Diamond LC Gallery
If you still have the original pots in SN 9001787 they should have a date code that could potentially sort out if it is 1989 or 1990.
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I lust after a Custom. How are the neck profiles ? Chunky is good, slim taper not so great 
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So I was just looking through the LC guitars with 90xxxxx serial numbers that are either 1989 or 1990.
SN 9001845 has March & June 1990 pots, so that serial number and higher were likely made in 1990 because the pots are made before they are put into guitars and these seem to be original to the guitar.
The LC guitars made in 1985 with pots from years later are due to a disruption in production related to financial problems at Tokai in 1985/86 specifically. So that was exceptional. That was not happening by 1990.
Further, the other 90xxxxx SN double split diamonds seem to be pretty close to this serial number. So if the pots were made as late as June 1990, and likely the guitar was made a month or two alter, then all of the 90xxxxx guitars are likely 1990 builds.
1990s Double split diamond Tokais
9001561
9001681
9001770
9001787
9001791
9001845 (March & June 1990 pots, so this one is 1990, the previous ones probably are too since the SN's are so close.)
9102651
9102750
9510054
9502249
9702738
9702993
9703140 ??
9803035
9803112
9803314
9803704
SN 9001845 has March & June 1990 pots, so that serial number and higher were likely made in 1990 because the pots are made before they are put into guitars and these seem to be original to the guitar.
The LC guitars made in 1985 with pots from years later are due to a disruption in production related to financial problems at Tokai in 1985/86 specifically. So that was exceptional. That was not happening by 1990.
Further, the other 90xxxxx SN double split diamonds seem to be pretty close to this serial number. So if the pots were made as late as June 1990, and likely the guitar was made a month or two alter, then all of the 90xxxxx guitars are likely 1990 builds.
1990s Double split diamond Tokais
9001561
9001681
9001770
9001787
9001791
9001845 (March & June 1990 pots, so this one is 1990, the previous ones probably are too since the SN's are so close.)
9102651
9102750
9510054
9502249
9702738
9702993
9703140 ??
9803035
9803112
9803314
9803704
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It looks like Mavis and Piare may be store brands for Ishibashi as well as M’Seeker.
I’m still not sure who the Grandy labeled guitars were made for. Working on figuring that one out still.
I’m still not sure who the Grandy labeled guitars were made for. Working on figuring that one out still.
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