The Tokai that dare not speak it's name. Isn't it about time we brought these poor neglected orphans back into the family?

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[Sigmania]

When were these made?

My first electric was a Hondo Les Paul that I traded an old motorcycle helmet for. Around 1980/81?

 

[Omiewise65]

Lovely guitar ! Looks like my Fender Lead III that I’ve bought brand new in 1982 . It was around 900 DM back then , in see through Cherry red . Sadly I traded it in , a couple of years later for a Framus SG .

 

[Voidoid56]

Question: do we actually know that the Fender Lead copies are Tokai builds? I'd love to see the innards of one, it should have Tokai production markings etc, I've searched for pics, but so far, no luck.
Since Tokai themselves (afaik?) never made a Lead copy, I find it surprising that it would be economically possible for budget-focused IMC to have Tokai open up an all-new production line for a guitar type they'd never made before? I mean, the Strat model is pretty obviously a Tokai ST-45 with a different headstock shape, and so based on a model already in production. Also, the Hondo II Strats turn up (mainly in the US, I believe?) under Tokai's own brand name as the "Golden Era" model, and I've yet to see any similar Leads.

There is a Wikia about MIK Samick guitars on fandom.com. I've no way of knowing anything about the accuracy of it, but they have a brief entry on the Hondo II Professionals:

"The Professional Series (also known as Pro Series) was introduced in 1980 after Samick's engineers took a trip to Japan to learn from their manufacturing processes and teamed up with Tokai and Matsumoku to create a line of Japanese-made models. The purpose of the line was to improve perception of the Hondo brand name. They were built from late 1979 through 1981, and sold from 1980-1983."

Full entry here:
Professional Series

I'm not sure if Matsu made Lead copies for anyone else at the time (I haven't really taken an interest in the model so far), but they were one of the world's largest (if not the largest) guitar manufacturer at the time, so it seems more likely to me that they had the capacity to produce them? If they were involved at all, that is.

 

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From a construction and hardware point of view, the Hondo Gibson themed models bear a marked similarity to other Mats produced models like Westone, Aria and Vox models of the same period ,three piece laminated necks,Di Marzio pickups etc.I don't think that Matsumoku were fully tooled up to at the time to produce Fender styled guitars at the time.My strong feeling is that these MIJ F themed guitars were produced by Tokai.

 

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The smoking gun?

 

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Sigmania, please remove this duplicate post for me.

 

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Sigmania ,please remove this duplicate post for me as I don t seem to be able to do it!

 

[Sigmania]

Any idea if the neck has a code as well?

 

[Omiewise65]

View attachment 7425From a construction and hardware point of view, the Hondo Gibson themed models bear a marked similarity to other Mats produced models like Westone, Aria and Vox models of the same period ,three piece laminated necks,Di Marzio pickups etc.I don't think that Matsumoku were fully tooled up to at the time to produce Fender styled guitars at the time.My strong feeling is that these MIJ F themed guitars were produced by Tokai.

Awesome ! Mine had the humbuckers from Fender but they have sounded rather cool !

 

[Omiewise65]

View attachment 7425From a construction and hardware point of view, the Hondo Gibson themed models bear a marked similarity to other Mats produced models like Westone, Aria and Vox models of the same period ,three piece laminated necks,Di Marzio pickups etc.I don't think that Matsumoku were fully tooled up to at the time to produce Fender styled guitars at the time.My strong feeling is that these MIJ F themed guitars were produced by Tokai.

I‘m a sucker for black
Fender style guitars

 

[Sigmania]

1979

RARE! 1yr Only 1981 Hondo Pro Japan H-1100 by Tokai, Minty! Grey Paper Alinco V! | eBay

 

[Homer J. Simpson]

1979 Hondo 1120 Precision Bass