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januz
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject: Burny headstocks Reply with quote

Hi,

New to Burnys so I?ll start with my first question:

How come that some headstocks only have the name "Burny" on them



while others also have an inlay




Are the ones with the inlay a more expensive model or something?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Burny headstocks Reply with quote

januz wrote:
Hi,

New to Burnys so I?ll start with my first question:

How come that some headstocks only have the name "Burny" on them

Are the ones with the inlay a more expensive model or something?


No no no! The 1980-81 FLG models, generally considered the best of the best, did not have any logo ("Les Paul" or "Super Grade"). The "Super Grade" logo appeared on those same guitars in '82, after which Burny expanded their LP line a bit. Sometime much later, they issued some models again without the logo... like this one which is, I think, a Slash model... someone correct me if I'm wrong.
http://cgi.ebay.com/BURNY-LP-VH-1-x-2-guitar-MIJ-Vintage-Burst-NITRO_W0QQitemZ170296068247QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item27a66fc897
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Burny started to have "Super Grade" on the headstock since 1981.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has the flower, because it's mine.

It's not a Les Paul model, it's a RSA model (ES-335 model), that's why the headstock is different.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:
It has the flower, because it's mine.

It's not a Les Paul model, it's a RSA model (ES-335 model), that's why the headstock is different.


But there are 335s without the "flower" as well!






How do they differ from the ones with the "flower"?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are chinese models, mine is a vintage japanese model.
The picture you have put on your previous message is the headstock of mine, where did you find it ?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:
They are chinese models, mine is a vintage japanese model.
The picture you have put on your previous message is the headstock of mine, where did you find it ?


OK, so Burnys without the "flower" on the headstock are Chinese then

Regarding the picture of the headstock of your guitar, I found it in a post on this site.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ikkyu wrote:
Burny started to have "Super Grade" on the headstock since 1981.
You're right. I stand corrected... it was just 1980 with no Super Grade logo... per the catalogs anyway.



januz wrote:
le juge wrote:
They are chinese models, mine is a vintage japanese model.
The picture you have put on your previous message is the headstock of mine, where did you find it ?


OK, so Burnys without the "flower" on the headstock are Chinese then

Regarding the picture of the headstock of your guitar, I found it in a post on this site.
The Chinese models are the ones with the 3 screw TRC that looks like a big leaf.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3pupLPC wrote:
The Chinese models are the ones with the 3 screw TRC that looks like a big leaf.


So there are Japanese vintage 335 Burnys without the "flower inlay" then?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

januz wrote:
3pupLPC wrote:
The Chinese models are the ones with the 3 screw TRC that looks like a big leaf.


So there are Japanese vintage 335 Burnys without the "flower inlay" then?


You started you post about Burny guitars in general..... now it's 335's without the emblem? Which is it?

Burny's come with various things on the headstock. Here's just a few from eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Burny-LC70-JS-Black-Custom-LP-Guitar-MIJ-80s_W0QQitemZ320442370813QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item4a9bda8afd

http://cgi.ebay.com/Burny-Super-Grade-LP-Standard-Black-Guitar-MIJ-1980s_W0QQitemZ220505359619QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item335724c503

http://instruments.shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=burny+guitar&_sacat=619

http://cgi.ebay.com/BURNY-70S-LP-JR-SUNBUST-JAPAN-MADE_W0QQitemZ350186035152QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item5188b6d7d0
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:

You started you post about Burny guitars in general..... now it's 335's without the emblem? Which is it?



My initial question was about Burnys in general, but I?ve now realised that the headstocks are different from model to model.

I?ll narrow my question down to the 335s:

Did the Japanese 80?s early 90?s 335s ever come without the emblem on the headstock?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, they have a split flower.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:
Yes, they have a split flower.


Did they ever come without the split flower with only "Burny" on them?

I need to know before I dare to buy anything.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

januz wrote:


I need to know before I dare to buy anything.


We've all found that while it's possible to definitively say yes they do or no they don't, there are always exceptions to the rule - custom runs, one off guitars, etc.

I'd advise that if you find something you are considering buying, post pics here for review and comment.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I?ve been testing this guitar and I have no doubts about this one.
Still I do not know which model it is as there?s no sticker in it...
(Suppose that it?s one of the lower models.)
The seller says that it has VH-1 PUs and that it must have been made before -86.












So far so good.

I?ve also been offered a guitar - that is said to be as RSA100* with nitro and VH-1 PUs - by another seller. (* Made about 1990 I?ve been told)

The problem is that neither me nor this seller have seen the guitar IRL yet as it is shipping from Japan right now.

Here are the pics:



I have no reason not to trust the seller (I?ve bought guitars from him before) but I might loose the red one above while waiting for this one.



The sticker in this one seems to say RSA100 but the "plain" headstock just looks cheap to me...
Not something I?d expect from a higher model vintage Japanese guitar.

(So many fake Chinese guitars around these days...)


I bet that the seller will be able to tell if it?s the real deal as soon as he lays his hands on it, but right now I?m not totally convinced...


But what do I know
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