1983 Tokai strat ??

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1983 Tokai strat ??

Post by axeman2966 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:22 pm

I have just got hold of a guitar I was informed its from 83.before I bought it it didn't know a great deal about the guitars other than they were supposed to be solid guitars. I'm like everyone else trying to i.d it so i can refurb it.

problem is the head stock decal has been changed to fender the electrics have been changed guitar has been sprayed and there is no i.d on plate.

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Post by iainblack » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:42 pm

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Post by axeman2966 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 6:18 pm

Thanks Iain think I've got images uploaded .

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Post by Suki » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:42 am

Body routings do not match anything Tokai I've seen (wire routing) even taking into account it coud have been modded in the bridge and neck positions.

Neck plate is not Tokai, I would suggest it belongs to the body.

Bridge and trem block are not Tokai.

Neck is Tokai. Top E tuner is Tokai, others look like replacements (strange). Cannot verify age.

Electrics look like budget Chinese, pickguard not original.

Partscaster at best.

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Post by axeman2966 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 5:32 am

I think the body has been modified at some point and then sprayed. I was thinking the same reference the bridge and electronics. The guitar feels solid well built and had good sustain when played even with not through an amp. I'm thinking about taking the finish off the body anyone done this before and can it damage the guitars playability ?

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Post by iainblack » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:29 am

you could look to strip the paint off in the cavity to reveal a matching tokai code under the paint?
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Post by axeman2966 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:56 am

I'll give it a try and see thinking if i remove paint may remove original factory stamp if there is one underneath nothing to loose I suppose. It's and old giitar looks well used so not surprised parts will have been changed/modded.
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Post by bluejeannot » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:32 pm

I think that both neck and heavily butchered body are Tokai.The electics are some cheap ceramic crap as has been suggested by Ian.
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Post by axeman2966 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:13 pm

From research I've done i was thinking the same can see someone has cut away at the body as it's pretty ruff work. Any idea what model or sort of age the neck/body are?

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Post by Suki » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:50 am

I'm still not convinced it's a Tokai body because the routings look a little different to me. If it is Tokai body (there's not enough detail in the pics to go on) then it's definitely pre-'86.

No chance of determining date on the neck if the decals are gone, other than it's later than '82, given the cross-head truss rod adjustment.

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Post by axeman2966 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:26 am

:-? only got the guitar the day before I came away to work, didn't pay a great deal for it, hopefully I get some answers when I take the finish off the guitar, Is that the best way to determine the model (the stamped codes) or did that depend on hardware/electronics ??

appreciate the feed back.

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Post by Suki » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:36 am

Probably a nitro test on the neck would reveal if it was a higher end model. The code on the body will only reveal the original colour and if it matches the neck.

The electrics would certainly have helped in determining the model, and to some extent the date.

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Post by axeman2966 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:01 am

Thanks for the info. Once I get the thing sorted out I'll post again most importantly I'm looking for a solid strat to get some use out of and if I get that I'll be happy regardless,

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I strongly believe it is a tokai body

Post by patchel » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:17 am

The body is legit, but probably resprayed at the time of the cavity hack. The neck pocket is a dead giveaway. The countersink around the holes, almost as if the tip of the chuck was sunk in about 1 MM and the 4 pin holes. Also, look at the unmolested PU cavity, the two holes where the PU mounting screws could extend. That puts it in the 83 - 84 ish range, from the ones I have seen. If the tremolo mounting screw holes go completely through the body, and enter the cavity below the springs ever so slightly, thats a bit of a Tokai Makers Mark. If you gently sand away the paint in the control cavity, you will probably find a stamp that looks like the neck. Yea, neck plate and electronics are not the high quality stuff that should be on it. Hard to tell, trem may have just been sprayed with the cavities?

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Re: I strongly believe it is a tokai body

Post by bluejeannot » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:04 pm

patchel wrote:The body is legit, but probably resprayed at the time of the cavity hack. The neck pocket is a dead giveaway. The countersink around the holes, almost as if the tip of the chuck was sunk in about 1 MM and the 4 pin holes. Also, look at the unmolested PU cavity, the two holes where the PU mounting screws could extend. That puts it in the 83 - 84 ish range, from the ones I have seen. If the tremolo mounting screw holes go completely through the body, and enter the cavity below the springs ever so slightly, thats a bit of a Tokai Makers Mark. If you gently sand away the paint in the control cavity, you will probably find a stamp that looks like the neck. Yea, neck plate and electronics are not the high quality stuff that should be on it. Hard to tell, trem may have just been sprayed with the cavities?
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