While in Tokyo last week...

[markcus58]

Howdy guys. I am new to this forum and perhaps new to Tokai guitars. I happen to be working in Japan and have started a little collection of Japanese guitars that I cannot generally purchase back the in the US. To date I have a ESP potbelly custom, Ibanez J custom, Takamine DSP 116A acoustic. On my list is a Fujigen Tele and a Tokai Love Rock. To date I have seen 2 Love Rock "Pacifix Exclusive" units and I have learned they are the high end units. One I have interest in the sales guy said is an underground 1950 something copy or something of that nature. Translations as they are...It is located at well know retail guitar shop and was not on display nor is there any brochure but there is a registration information.. Anyway I can find nothing after loads of web searching on this unit. It is known that back room/underground units are actually made ? I imagine yes, understanding the world as it is, but without documentation what value can ever be granted to it in the future? Does anyone have an inside connection (name/email address) to get the true design information? It is an LS-4 LG, flamed maple top in what appears to be a lacquer finish and it is used. Said to be 190kYen new in '07. So any help for or against buying it is appreciated.

 

[Ozeshin]

Hi,
Yes we're aware of the "Pacific" models.
They are a legitimate Tokai and are based on an LS120?(someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

 

[markcus58]

I have learned that the correct spelling is "Pacifix". I will attach the link to the Pacifix company that markets the high end Tokai's. Go to the page, it's in english and Japanese, and then the link to Tokai. They then list the LS-"X" exclusive models and specs as well as the premium and vintage series.
The unit I have found is not on the list. I have held it in my hands, played it and saw the warranty card more than once so I know it is a real Tokai.

http://www.pacifix-ltd.com/index.html

Anyways, I am wondering if anyone has heard of the limited run units that don't really make it into the catalogs, and therefore may have a collectible value. Oh, this one had a 50's copy case as well. Pink inside..

 

[togps]

Anyways, I am wondering if anyone has heard of the limited run units that don't really make it into the catalogs, and therefore may have a collectible value.

Nothing special... and no insiders' tip:

They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

 

[TOKAI JOE]

Anyways, I am wondering if anyone has heard of the limited run units that don't really make it into the catalogs, and therefore may have a collectible value.

Nothing special... and no insiders' tip:

They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

8) they arent super special yet pretty special so much more special than
your custom stuff at your store togps. dont just say those no-good things
to others and say nice only for your stuff. thats very ugly of ya..........

 

[togps]

8) they arent super special yet pretty special so much more special than
your custom stuff at your store togps. dont just say those no-good things
to others and say nice only for your stuff. thats very ugly of ya..........

?
man, relax!
I didn't mention any negatives about these guitars.
Why do you offend me?

 

[TOKAI JOE]

Hi,
Yes we're aware of the "Pacific" models.
They are a legitimate Tokai and are based on an LS120?(someone will correct me if I'm wrong).
They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

8) "pacifix" is the special tokai store in kawasaki, next to tokyo, between
tokyo and yokohama. i live in yokohama and its pretty close from here
maybe only 20 minutes train ride. anyways those pacifix original LS series
are the limited high end editions designed by the owner of pacifix and made
by tokai exclusive. they are all very high ends and so much more maniac
than the regular LS320/380/470 series. they arent made for the store "KEY"
but made for pacifix and both "key" and "pacifix" sell them through their
shops. they have been around since maybe 2005/6 and there have been
the excellent models like from LS1 to LS4. all very maniac so much more
tasty than regular tokai high end stuff. they always intentionally use
as much brazillian & honduran & best hardmaple (both figured and plain)
and the PU's too. to make all the models very available the pacifix owner
set slightely different specs from LS1 to LS4. the highest to the less highest.
but all are making fantastic senses and they have been very
popular among the customers since they first came out in the market.
they can be only some made a year since the specs are very high
that require the best kinds of woods tokai can offer even pacifix seems
to has given tokai the orders consistantly. those pacifix series are all very
fantastic and very kindly designed. to all the great specs range from LS1 to LS4.
giving tokai's best shots for the customers with the reasonable
prices people can afford. still pretty expensive but they are all so worth
only the reputations havent been matured yet so far as high as they
should/will be. it takes some time and its building up and we the good
deep guitar manias know that. pacifix and its owner are known as
a very important tokai dealer today in japan. actually one of only a very
few that activily doing very high quality custom tokais. so his stuff are
very recognized unlike togps said and thats so a total BS what he said.
please dont BS togps. its just totally BS of you and sounds very hypcrites.
you might be one good size tokai active dealer today in germany but
there are already too many in japan who are so much closer to the company
since a long time ago. some are even all the way back from
the 50s, 60s, 70s.......you are a chickin yet to them so just shut up please.
whenever you say something slightely arrogant i am very angry for all the
great tokai people in japan. as far as i am aware of. from the recent years.
these stores are very special tokai people and they are consistantly
giving special orders to tokai and their limited products
are always so nice and well accepted by people here in japan.
they are special but still new so it takes some time to get known well
and appriciated well. you know the gibson 1958/59/60 original les paul
sunbursts werent any really deeply appriciated back then so thats why
gibson basically stopped making them. like that, the story goes.........
i will write all the special active tokai stores here now. hope its useful
for you. and its hard but hopefully you can email them and get good replys back
and know your guitars are special. so much more special than the regular tokai products........j



8)

 

[TOKAI JOE]

8) they arent super special yet pretty special so much more special than
your custom stuff at your store togps. dont just say those no-good things
to others and say nice only for your stuff. thats very ugly of ya..........

?
man, relax!
I didn't mention any negatives about these guitars.
Why do you offend me?

8) c'mon togps........hate to say this but u know the gtrs n whatmore
and if u know them then u know what to say exactly to good stuff and
other good people. those "pacifix limited"and "the neo select" that you
called "nothing special" in the past are actually really pretty special.
we cant just let you say straight whatever that might get those great stuff
misunderstood by people who dont know the truth yet. u know that
togps. u know all that right? there are good special tokai people and
their great products in japan...........i am speaking for them today.................
i am not offending you........no......not interested absolutely..............
just defending good people and their good efforts........thats all......j







8)

 

[togps]

This is all well known.
And nobody mention any negatives about these guitars.
I just quoted Ozeshin

They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

I give you a good advice:
Try to change your attitude here on the forum!

 

[TOKAI JOE]

This is all well known.
And nobody mention any negatives about these guitars.
I just quoted Ozeshin

They were made for a Japanese Guitar store chain.

I give you a good advice:
Try to change your attitude here on the forum!

8) hello togps........maybe you are right and people here alreday know.....
that we both you and i should change our attitudes. my too much one and
your often BS one. dont worry i dont belong here anymore too long.
just staying here for a while to leave some last good useful infos for people
before i really leave. thats it and all. god knows everything right?
god help us! anyways.........



8)

 

[villager]

I have an Tokai LS-1 custom ordered flametop with rolphs, and an ES-2 with custom ordered duncan antiquities, instead of the tokai PAF's (so an ES-1 really).. both are as good, if not better than, any other of the highest end new guitars I have ever played.. so for that read 100 odd historics, 20 or so top spec navigators and a good few tokai LS-320's..

I don't see an LS-4 model mentioned there though...

 

[TOKAI JOE]

8) this is from the pacifix homepage and what the good owner says
about his business attitude and what his products should be. do you guys
guess now that how good and honest and special his products can be?
i was totally impressed when i first knew this a few years back........






Basic Objectives of PACIFIX

Our Credo

- We at PACIFIX Ltd. believe that our first responsibility is to make a profit, which is the fundamental objective of any corporation, but at the same time to promote social welfare through various kinds of support to musical and other cultural activities.
- We aim to build a foundation of happiness derived from music.
- We conduct our business and product development under the guiding principles of "Originality," "Identity," and "Creativity" in an attempt to set new standards for our times.
- In all our actions we respect humanity and environmental conservation.

Basic Product Development and Sales Principles

- We follow the "Brand First" principle. We strive to make our own brands, including PROVIDENCE, succeed in Japan and throughout the world, with an eye to ultimately elevating these brands to No. 1 position in the world. Our goal is not to become No. 1 in volume but to become No. 1 in product quality and reliability.
- We conduct our sales in a spirit of enterprise and sincerity.
- Our basic production principle is to supply the highest-quality products only in quantities dictated by the market. We will not produce unnecessary goods or sell more goods than necessary solely to make a profit.
- We do our utmost not to produce or handle products that go against the principles of respect for humanity and environmental preservation.



:wink: super impressed now? this is how the great real tokai dealer truely should be !!!!!!!!

 

[TOKAI JOE]

I have an Tokai LS-1 custom ordered flametop with rolphs, and an ES-2 with custom ordered duncan antiquities, instead of the tokai PAF's (so an ES-1 really).. both are as good, if not better than, any other of the highest end new guitars I have ever played.. so for that read 100 odd historics, 20 or so top spec navigators and a good few tokai LS-320's..

I don't see an LS-4 model mentioned there though...

8) u r right n good this time villager........thanks! ........j

 

[villager]

Joe...

I think there is a language misunderstanding here,

togps says the LS-4 is nothing special, in this I have to agree, its a 190000 yen guitar new, whereas the ES-1 and LS-1 are nearer 500000 yen, but the original poster was asking about an LS-4 model.. and thats what togps was responding to .. not criticizing the pacifix models in general, so please re-read the posts and look at them with that fact in mind..

 

[TOKAI JOE]

I have learned that the correct spelling is "Pacifix". I will attach the link to the Pacifix company that markets the high end Tokai's. Go to the page, it's in english and Japanese, and then the link to Tokai. They then list the LS-"X" exclusive models and specs as well as the premium and vintage series.
The unit I have found is not on the list. I have held it in my hands, played it and saw the warranty card more than once so I know it is a real Tokai.

http://www.pacifix-ltd.com/index.html

Anyways, I am wondering if anyone has heard of the limited run units that don't really make it into the catalogs, and therefore may have a collectible value. Oh, this one had a 50's copy case as well. Pink inside..

8) here's the pacifix man's name and his email address. i think he uses
english very possibly and he was very nice and helpful when i
emailed him before. he is the man for all the pacifix limited series
like LS1/2/3/4/ so ask him about your great gtrs. good luck!

his name is TAKASHI WATABE or TAKASHI WATANABE...........

[email protected]





:wink:

 

[TOKAI JOE]

Joe...

I think there is a language misunderstanding here,

togps says the LS-4 is nothing special, in this I have to agree, its a 190000 yen guitar new, whereas the ES-1 and LS-1 are nearer 500000 yen, but the original poster was asking about an LS-4 model.. and thats what togps was responding to .. not criticizing the pacifix models in general, so please re-read the posts and look at them with that fact in mind..

8) all the pacifix limited tokais are simply great. this is not only for their
highest LS1 or the second best LS2. but LS3 and LS4 too. you have to know
what the pacifix man doing great and maniac behind all those models.
the prices simply dont tell all about them. maybe you have to be real
guitar manias to know all about those ones. like the neo-select series
and the pacifix series...........many secret hidden differences between
the regular tokais and them............

 

[villager]

yes thats as maybe, but a 190000yen guitar is very different from a 500000yen guitar and in comparison could be said to be ''nothing special'' when compared to the 500000yen guitar..

do you see what i mean??

although it maybe ''very special'' when compared to another 190000yen guitar.. that works both ways....

 

[TOKAI JOE]

8) great active tokai dealers in japan........often with the special orders.

http://www.pacifix.co.jp/

http://www.meikyokudo-neo.show-buy.jp/tokai%201.htm

http://www.real-standard.com/

http://www.rockin.co.jp/

http://yonezawa-gakki.com/webshop/

http://www.deuce-inc.com/

 

[TOKAI JOE]

8) villager.......we know who we all really are here dont we?
so its well understood behind.........j

 

[villager]

I
8) all the pacifix limited tokais are simply great. this is not only for their
highest LS1 or the second best LS2. but LS3 and LS4 too. you have to know
what the pacifix man doing great and maniac behind all those models.
the prices simply dont tell all about them. maybe you have to be real
guitar manias to know all about those ones. like the neo-select series
and the pacifix series...........many secret hidden differences between
the regular tokais and them............

Joe do you have an LS-1 /2 /3 and 4 ?