2016 Reborn Old Open Book

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2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by Sigmania » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:54 pm

So what exactly is the story with this newer Reborn Old line?

This one has an open book headstock and says was a special order for an employee or something?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tokai-LS-REBO ... 632-2357-0

The ones I’ve seen seem to date from the mid 2010s.

I thought they were just made for the German market but obviously this one wasn’t.

Does anyone know what the story is with these?

Oh, and I thought VVF stood for violin finish? And the fretboard looks more like ebony than Jacaranda? 8)
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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by guitar hiro » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:54 pm

I believe that is one of a few shop orders by Rock Inn, from 2016; they had the Reborn logo & Jacaranda fingerboards

pretty sure at least two TF members have examples :wink:

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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by CliffsComicWorld » Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:36 pm

Here is one example…. Rockin version had Brazilian fretboards and fret end bindings

https://www.flickr.com/gp/147832065@N08/99J022

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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by Sigmania » Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:49 am

So weird. Cliff, your guitar looks like a VVF. The op looks like cherry sunburst or whatever Tokai calls that.

Beautiful guitars.
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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by Sigmania » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:35 am

Also, both fretboards are very dark and I don't see any figuring as I would expect on Jacaranda or Braz.

Also, interesting to see how they routed for the fretboard markers. Each corner was cut out beyond the outline of the trapezoid marker and then filled.

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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:56 am

there are plenty of old school Brazilian fret boards that have no figuring, and/or color variation.

AFA the sloppy inlay work, I have a 2000 LS-320 that has the same crap filled points :evil:

Tokai has been producing this very same, lame, sub-par inlay work, for many years :roll:

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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by Sigmania » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:12 pm

Seems weird. They were pioneers using CNC machines on guitars to make tight fitting joints, so obviously they can fit them better. Wonder what the reasoning is?
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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:33 pm

CNC is only as good as the person that is programming it, and also, the person that is operating it.

I have run CNC before, for metal, not for lumber, and it takes attention to detail to make parts consistently in spec, run after run.

Since Tokai has been producing the crap inlay corners for the better part of two decades, I can only assume Tokai really does not give a rat's *** about their inlay work quality.

Try doing that in a machine shop for a full shift & someone's butt will be fired. Tokai has been at this for nearly two decades. No pride in workmanship.

And Tokai's (set) neck tenons are no where near the tightest neck tenons among the MIJ makers.

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Re: 2016 Reborn Old Open Book

Post by Sigmania » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:47 pm

It is weird though. Seems intentional. I’m just wondering what the intention is? It’s not like the wood expands much.

I believe the logos on the headstock are inlays. Those I believe are tight. I’ll have to look.

Maybe they are contracting out the fretboards?? Weird.
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R Springy, '81 TE120 Breezy, '82 LS120 Love Rock, '82 JB50 Jazz Sounds

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