Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

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Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Vardarian » Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:41 am

Both guitars are made in China.
ALS-65S-GT (the traditional one) This model is for about 150 dollars more expensive, but is there a big difference to the Legacy p90 GT Les Paul guitar?

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Sat Sep 17, 2022 2:04 pm

Can you post pictures? Some of these guitars with “Legacy” on the truss rod cover seem to be counterfeit Tokais.
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB45R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap


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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Vardarian » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:03 pm


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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:29 pm

That price is nuts for a Chinese Tokai. And I would ask for pics of the serial number on the Legacy one.
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB45R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Vardarian » Sat Sep 17, 2022 8:52 pm

It's Aus dollars, so the legacy series is around 300 euros.
This are the specs, main differences are from the specs that the ALS 65s is using Jatoba freatboard and Mahogany Back and I think different pickups, Not sure if this Chinese models have serial number, I would want a Japanese one but my budget says this or budget Epiphone/Harley Benton with p90..
BODY: Maple Top / Okoume Back.
NECK: Canadian Maple Set-Neck
NECK STYLE: 60's Style Medium D
FINGERBOARD: Kabukalli
FINISH: Urethane
MACHINE HEADS: Vintage Kluson Style
BRIDGE: Tune-O-Matic Style
PICKUPS: Tokai Legacy P90 x2
ELECTRONICS: 2 Volume, 2 Tones with 3 Way Toggle Switch
WIRING: Modern
SCALE LENGTH: 24.75"
NUT: Bone 44mm
FRETS: 22
COUNTRY: Made in China
WARRANTY: 2 Year

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by tokaiaustralia » Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:15 pm

The Legacy one was never licensed by Tokai and is counterfeit. The previous distributor had them made in China without Tokai's knowledge and Tokai never received any payment for them.
The distributor of Tokai in Australia
tokaigakki.com.au

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Fri Sep 23, 2022 3:19 pm

tokaiaustralia wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 9:15 pm
The Legacy one was never licensed by Tokai and is counterfeit. The previous distributor had them made in China without Tokai's knowledge and Tokai never received any payment for them.
Thanks for sharing the story.
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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:50 pm

Just saw this second link that you posted. Yeah, these are really bad knock offs.

Maybe change the TRC from "Legacy" to "Fake". 8)

Not sure where these are being sold, but they are obviously illegal.

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by tokaiaustralia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:52 pm

Sigmania wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:50 pm
Just saw this second link that you posted. Yeah, these are really bad knock offs.

Maybe change the TRC from "Legacy" to "Fake". 8)

Not sure where these are being sold, but they are obviously illegal.
Jade Music Australia sold them to all of their Australian dealers and didn't tell them they weren't licensed. They essentially scammed both their dealers and Tokai Japan.
The distributor of Tokai in Australia
tokaigakki.com.au

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:32 pm

tokaiaustralia wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:52 pm
Jade Music Australia sold them to all of their Australian dealers and didn't tell them they weren't licensed. They essentially scammed both their dealers and Tokai Japan.

Did they get sued? I can't believe they could get away with that in Australia.

And how could anyone think they could get away with that? Such obvious fakes.
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB45R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by tokaiaustralia » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:03 pm

Can't talk about anything legal-related unfortunately!
The distributor of Tokai in Australia
tokaigakki.com.au

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Re: Tokai 'Legacy Series' LP-Style vs Tokai Traditional Series LP (both p90)

Post by Sigmania » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:25 pm

Gotcha.

Hopefully folks will get their money back and these guys will lose their ability to do that to anyone else.

Really crappy way to treat people and they did lasting harm to the brand.
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB45R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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