How to tell which SG model is?

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How to tell which SG model is?

Post by LiSkynden » Tue May 10, 2022 8:32 am

My first post here and I bet this has been asked before, but i could not find, so please link a topic if there is one.

How do i tell which model Tokai SG is? There seem to be many different ones out there but look same, like SG-35, SG-43, SG-58 etc. I know now that SG-92 is MIJ but even that doesnt look much different from the other versions to me.
The cheapest ones seem to have smaller body "contours". Is that SG35?

But then again, someone is selling this as SG-35

https://imgur.com/a/VZjiHmT

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 10, 2022 9:09 am

That's a Chinese guitar. You can tell by the serial number.

Low end models are made in China.

Numbers relate to price.

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by LiSkynden » Tue May 10, 2022 10:40 am

Thanks but i wanted to know how to tell which model is which :D Meaning these: SG-35, SG-43, SG-58 etc.

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 10, 2022 2:27 pm

Those would all be inexpensive Chinese builds if those are newer models.

There is not a lot of info on Chinese Tokais out there, or on here. Members tend to focus on the Japanese builds.

It would come down to the wood used (alder, nato, okoume, mahogany, maple, etc.), hardware, and electronics (pickups, pots, etc).

Stain and paint can hide the grain, so it’s not so easy to tell what you have.

Nato looks a lot like mahogany and is used as a lower cost alternative to mahogany.

It may be that SG35 = Alder, SG43 = Nato, and SG58 = Mahogany bodies?

Also, I believe the necks are maple and probably have scarf joints.

I would ask for lots of pictures and check out YouTube reviews.

There aren’t many folks on here these days and fewer that get into Chinese guitars.

One member, Paladin2019, may weigh in at some point. He has lots of experience with Gibson style Tokais.

Hope this helps a little.
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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 10, 2022 4:43 pm

I just found this from 2014.

It shows two SG models made for Tokai in China that year, SG43 & SG50s.

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That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB50R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by LiSkynden » Wed May 11, 2022 8:59 am

Sigmania wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 2:27 pm
Those would all be inexpensive Chinese builds if those are newer models.

There is not a lot of info on Chinese Tokais out there, or on here. Members tend to focus on the Japanese builds.

It would come down to the wood used (alder, nato, okoume, mahogany, maple, etc.), hardware, and electronics (pickups, pots, etc).

Stain and paint can hide the grain, so it’s not so easy to tell what you have.

Nato looks a lot like mahogany and is used as a lower cost alternative to mahogany.

It may be that SG35 = Alder, SG43 = Nato, and SG58 = Mahogany bodies?

Also, I believe the necks are maple and probably have scarf joints.

I would ask for lots of pictures and check out YouTube reviews.

There aren’t many folks on here these days and fewer that get into Chinese guitars.

One member, Paladin2019, may weigh in at some point. He has lots of experience with Gibson style Tokais.

Hope this helps a little.

Thanks a lot. Helped a bit. And thanks for the forum info too :)
It's funny how guitars usually have some kind of model number somewhere but Tokai SG's doesnt.

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 11, 2022 9:06 am

They all have model numbers, but the model relates to price which obviously changes over time so it can get really confusing.

Add to that the lack of info on Tokais built in China.
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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 12, 2022 7:12 am

2009 catalog

https://www.vintagejapanguitars.com.br/ ... ue-vol-24/

SG43, made in China, MK4 pickups, basswood body

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 12, 2022 7:16 am

2012 catalog shows a USG35 with an alder body, maple neck, rosewood fretboard, MK4 pickups, and the "export dimple".

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 12, 2022 7:20 am

2018 catalog

SG58, mahogany body, maple neck, carbonized jatoba fretboard, LSC-F pickups.

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https://www.vintagejapanguitars.com.br/ ... catalogue/
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB50R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 12, 2022 7:31 am

So based on actual catalog info:


SG35 = Alder body, maple neck, MK4 pickups (2012)

SG43 = Basswood body, maple neck, MK4 pickups (2009)

SG58 = Mahogany body, maple neck, LSC-F pickups (2018)
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB50R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 12, 2022 8:01 am

Looks like around 2013 the Chinese mfr for Tokai found an inexpensive source of African mahogany.

So looks like African mahogany was possibly used on the SG43 during this period as many sellers claim?

https://www.mylespaul.com/threads/tokai ... od.269586/
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB50R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Paladin2019 » Fri May 13, 2022 3:07 pm

Serial number CN11 = made in China, 2011. Looking at the 2011 catalogue (UK version) we have the SG35 and the SG50. The 35 was an SG standard and the 50 had 3 pickups, block inlays etc.

I'm thinking SG35, but don't get too hung up on the number because the year/style is more informative.

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by LiSkynden » Thu May 19, 2022 12:28 pm

Thanks for all your replies :)

So what i learned is SG 58 costed 58 000Yens so it is around 429 Euros in todays currency. So the guitar the guy was selling could be SG58 cause he said he paid 400 euros.

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Re: How to tell which SG model is?

Post by Sigmania » Thu May 19, 2022 3:50 pm

I don’t know if I would make that assumption. It seems like the actual price out the door is always higher than what the original price was in yen. I don’t know if that’s because of import fees or taxes or what but it seems like it’s usually higher. Maybe somebody else knows?
That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R V Neck Springy, '81 TE120 Arabesque Breezy, '82 LS120 Solid Flame, '82 JB50R Jazz Sounds, ‘84 ST70 Gold Star Maple Cap

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