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What I think is frustrating is when a new member posts a guitar that they are unsure of and an old member buys it thinking it is one thing, and when it turns out to be something else whines for 8 pages that he should get his money back...

Turns out that headstock inlay only means it's a fake if you bought it in Canada. Had you purchased in Britain it is a manufacturing blip ;). http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12928 Enjoy your guitar, I have one and it's great value for the money. If you would like an alternative theory...

"And I sure as hell won't be able to sell it for anything like that amount of money now that likely customers (members of this forum) know it's real history." That's what you said the first time through Stratman.....

Huh, never thought of the the inlays shrinking, I always assumed the fretboard was shrinking. Makes more sense though, if it was the fretboard it would pull away from the edge binding too and I haven't noticed that too often. Good link. Do any guitar makers still use inlay material that shrinks...

Stop justifying bad inlay work by finding examples that are worse. The reason Tokai got the respect it did in the eighties was that they built guitars well when Gibson and Fender were trading on their name while building crap. It is sad that Tokai seem to be heading the same way. If a guitar...

Respectfully, I think I have read all the posts about that on this site. What everyone seems to agree on is that Tokai never used that elaborate flowery inlay on the headstock. If that is the case then doesn't that have to put into question either Bob who says the British ones with that inlay...

Just wondering what the differences are that make these 335 copies unscrupulous fakes when sold by Canadian dealers but a manufacturing "blip" when sold in the British shops?

Just so you know, the holes were filled with dowels before being redrilled to prevent the drill bit from wandering into the existing hole resulting in mis-alignment and to minimize the chances of chipping as the bit catches that edge on the way in (I do a lot of woodworking and always dowel any...

I bought the guitar about 2 years ago now, and when I first started looking around this site thought it might really be the first production ES-60 out of China (like I was told), but I have done some more looking around. It seems that mine is one of the ones out of the Shine factory in Korea...

Oh, and I did search for Fakais (I like that term) over the last week or so and saw plenty of those 'Make in Korea' decals, but my guitar never had one, and it came with those Grover tuners. Just thought the 'make in China' comment would be funny.

I didn't mean to imply I thought that the guitar was legit, just that he hadn't changed anything on it. From what I've read here lately there is definitely something fishy about them. In fact, I had asked the shop keeper about the lack of a decal because that struck me as odd. Are you sure it...

Hey, I think I resemble that remark... :D I have one with the knock off bigsby. No need to feel sorry for me though, I'm quite happy with the guitar. Had never heard of Tokai when I bought it a couple years ago, but I always cared more about how a guitar plays and sounds than who's name is on...

No, he didn't change anything on the guitar, that's the original spec on those guitars. They were also available with a knock-off Bigsby. I think they were actually 'make in china' :wink: