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Koubayashi
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
Thats easy, made in China. I think it was John A who said these were great guitars for the price.

Mick


This is by far the best Burny 335 I have ever played.
The buidling quality is great, the hardware, the electronics and pickups are all Japanese.

Do the chinese Chinese Burny come with VH1?

This mystery is by far solved. Especiall since there were a Japan made series of Burny made in the early 2000 with serial numbers starting on 02.
Doesn't Chinese Burny have letters in the beginning of the serial number?
Or is that a mix as well?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leadguitar_323 wrote:
Thats easy, made in China. I think it was John A who said these were great guitars for the price.

Mick



Suppose so.

Koubayashi consider his to be better than any japanese made 335 that he?s tried, so good they must be

Personally I unfortunately have this hangup that I want a MIJ beauty...

Stupid?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese made Burny have this kind of serial : FG02XXXXXX for a 2002 made model.
There are other manufacturers which are able to made these Burnys.
Just let me find a picture of one japanese LP made model, Ebay seller Chingo have one 4 or 5 months ago.

Do you really think that Burny was able to sell a chinese guitar at 100000 Yen in 2002 ?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cherry "Ishibashi 335" has the serial: 0212021 and Koubayashi believes this one to be Chinese due to the TRC maybe beeing a "3 screw one". (Hard to see in the pic)
Apart from that the guitars seem to be "the same".

As I?ve said before, mystifying it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:


Do you really think that Burny was able to sell a chinese guitar at 100000 Yen in 2002 ?


The answer is, of course, no.

The problem is when guitars might be sold as something they ain?t...

Koubayashi has a lot of experience with MIJ-guitars and he believes that this Burny RSA100 - with a sticker/serial starting with 021XXXX - is made by Tokai in Japan. He also says that it?s a great guitar, and I believe him.





The red Burny RSA100 - with a sticker with the serial 0212021 - from Ishibashi is believed to be Chinese.



Both are called RSA100, both have a headstock without the flower, both have a sticker in the upper f-hole with a serial starting with "021" both sold in the same price range ( The Red one = 47,800 yen. The burst = 59,800 yen). The only thing that seems to be different (from what one can tell in the pics) is the TRC, but such a thing can easily be changed.

To me it?s hard to tell the difference between the two...

They both might be equivalent to a Tokai ES 110, or maybe just the Burst is - the cherry being Chinese - or they might both be Chinese

I might buy this guitar (the burst). I just want to be sure of what I?m buying and that the price is right.
The same goes for Koubayashi, he want to be sure of what he is selling and that the price corresponds to that.
All information about an instrument is vital for both buyer and seller!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look to a detail like the burst of a RSA-60/65 model...on the cutaway.



It's different on the Tokai model too, so I think Tokai couldn't have made these RSA100.
But there are many others manufacturers in Japan, so...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all.

This Burny is a hell of an instrument

Secondly, all hardware and electronics are Japanese. The pickups are VH1 and it is all factory mounted (unless a person with 25cm long fingers that are veeery thin has redone it)

Thirdly, it has typical Tokai routings for the pickups.

Too bad I haven't got a Tokai to compare it to at the moment.

By the way, to compare shape and size from pictures like that doesn't work.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koubayashi wrote:
First of all.

This Burny is a hell of an instrument

Secondly, all hardware and electronics are Japanese. The pickups are VH1 and it is all factory mounted (unless a person with 25cm long fingers that are veeery thin has redone it)

Thirdly, it has typical Tokai routings for the pickups.

Too bad I haven't got a Tokai to compare it to at the moment.

By the way, to compare shape and size from pictures like that doesn't work.

Ahhh, I haven't seen that the routing was the Tokai one. So my first idea was the good one.
You don't have to have long fingers to change pots, just know how to fish a pot...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:
Have a look to a detail like the burst of a RSA-60/65 model...on the cutaway.



It's different on the Tokai model too, so I think Tokai couldn't have made these RSA100.
But there are many others manufacturers in Japan, so...


Here?s a pic of a Tokai ES110 from the 2005 catalog I believe



What to look for at the cutaway?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le juge wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:
First of all.

This Burny is a hell of an instrument

Secondly, all hardware and electronics are Japanese. The pickups are VH1 and it is all factory mounted (unless a person with 25cm long fingers that are veeery thin has redone it)

Thirdly, it has typical Tokai routings for the pickups.

Too bad I haven't got a Tokai to compare it to at the moment.

By the way, to compare shape and size from pictures like that doesn't work.

Ahhh, I haven't seen that the routing was the Tokai one. So my first idea was the good one.
You don't have to have long fingers to change pots, just know how to fish a pot...


Fish the pots and the jack is no problem.
Just tie them to threads and pull them in to their position.
I have done it on tonnes of semis.
however, it never gets as well and neat done as from factory cause they mount everything before they glue on the top (perhaps it vary from maker to make but I don't think so).

I will buy a Tokai tomorrow so I have one to compare with.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

januz wrote:
le juge wrote:
Have a look to a detail like the burst of a RSA-60/65 model...on the cutaway.



It's different on the Tokai model too, so I think Tokai couldn't have made these RSA100.
But there are many others manufacturers in Japan, so...


Here?s a pic of a Tokai ES110 from the 2005 catalog I believe



What to look for at the cutaway?



Looks to me like the Burny's F holes are bound - nice touch.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
januz wrote:
le juge wrote:
Have a look to a detail like the burst of a RSA-60/65 model...on the cutaway.



It's different on the Tokai model too, so I think Tokai couldn't have made these RSA100.
But there are many others manufacturers in Japan, so...


Here?s a pic of a Tokai ES110 from the 2005 catalog I believe



What to look for at the cutaway?



Looks to me like the Burny's F holes are bound - nice touch.


And my Burny does not have binding in the F-holes, just like the Tokai.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koubayashi wrote:






Looks to me like the Burny's F holes are bound - nice touch.


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And my Burny does not have binding in the F-holes, just like the Tokai.


I was referring to the one in the pic above
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marcusnieman wrote:
Koubayashi wrote:






Looks to me like the Burny's F holes are bound - nice touch.


Quote:
And my Burny does not have binding in the F-holes, just like the Tokai.


I was referring to the one in the pic above


Yess, me know.
I just pointed out another detail it has in common with Tokai.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

januz wrote:
le juge wrote:


Do you really think that Burny was able to sell a chinese guitar at 100000 Yen in 2002 ?


The answer is, of course, no.

The problem is when guitars might be sold as something they ain?t...

Koubayashi has a lot of experience with MIJ-guitars and he believes that this Burny RSA100 - with a sticker/serial starting with 021XXXX - is made by Tokai in Japan. He also says that it?s a great guitar, and I believe him.





The red Burny RSA100 - with a sticker with the serial 0212021 - from Ishibashi is believed to be Chinese.



Both are called RSA100, both have a headstock without the flower, both have a sticker in the upper f-hole with a serial starting with "021" both sold in the same price range ( The Red one = 47,800 yen. The burst = 59,800 yen). The only thing that seems to be different (from what one can tell in the pics) is the TRC, but such a thing can easily be changed.

To me it?s hard to tell the difference between the two...

They both might be equivalent to a Tokai ES 110, or maybe just the Burst is - the cherry being Chinese - or they might both be Chinese

I might buy this guitar (the burst). I just want to be sure of what I?m buying and that the price is right.
The same goes for Koubayashi, he want to be sure of what he is selling and that the price corresponds to that.
All information about an instrument is vital for both buyer and seller!
I think that red one is Tokai made aswell. It has a pointy truss rod cover similar to a chinese made but it is held on with 2 screws. My 2003 Burnyt RLG-90 had the same truss rod cover and it's made by Tokai too.
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