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Post by soundcreation » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:41 am

Hey youami...did you see this?

http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /g74743328

If it stays that low I'd almost be tempted to bid on it...even though I've got the same thing....that would just be a sick deal,,,and at 100 000 it's not bad either.

I think I'll let it pass but remembered you're thread.

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Post by youami » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:20 pm

Yep, I saw that. Looks awesome! I'm slightly suspicious though as a DS-250 is meant to be a 1 piece body, but there is definitely a centre join visible in the neck pocket.

Here's a DS-200 for a bargain price:

http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m67685915

I think the second price listing means "buy now", am I right or just dreaming? If I'm right, then you're getting a Custom Shop equivalent strat for the price of a new Fender Japan TX model...not bad at all.

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Post by soundcreation » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:23 am

No...my 250 is two piece as well. I think the one piece started with the 280. Don't know for sure though. One piece would be nice but they do such a good book matching job I'd bet it has no difference what so ever.

Yep that's a buy it now price. All you have to do is bid at that price and rinkya will buy it out for you!...LOL..

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Post by youami » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:17 am

That is a steal then for sure. Unfortunately, anything above 50,000 Yen is well out of my price range at the moment.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:15 pm

Something curious that I noticed in the SD catalogue link:

The DS-100 states the finish is "Lacquer top"
The DS-200 states that the finish is "All lacquer"

This makes me wonder about the stickers on some Japanese guitars that say "Top lacquer finish" - is it only the top coat?
I'm just worried now that when I've told people that "Top Lacquer" means a nitro finish (was told this by a dealer regarding Bacchus) that maybe it's only the top coat, and I've been giving out bad info.
It may vary with different makers as well, I'm pretty confident that Bacchus is all nitro on the hand made range, and I know the Bacchus Craft series is poly finish.

I am also interested in a SD Strat, but would prefer a rosewood board, there is this one on Rinkya, but I can't figure out the trem and model:
http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g80246595

The gist of it seems to be that the seller thinks it's a DS-200R with a factory modified trem set-up. Any ideas?
Also, what are the necks like on your DSs, fat or slimmer?
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by stratman323 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:17 pm

My ES130 is nitro over poly, & it doesn't feel much different to the ES100 I briefly had. My Bacchus BST64V feels to me very similar to a Custom Shop Strat - same sort of soft nitro.

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Post by youami » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:31 pm

Yeah, most lower-end Japanese guitars that say nitro are nitro over poly, eg the Edwards Lacquer Taste models and the Fender Japan VSP models. Fender US's bog-standard vintage models are also nitro over poly. According to the Stratocaster Chronicles book, they did this to prevent the nitro sinking into the wood (this was in the 80s, well before the relicing craze).

The Duncan that you link to is not like any I've seen. It doesn't have the "Traditional" sticker on the headstock, which indicates that it is a DS-200, but it's got different pickups, tuners, string tree, bridge and neck plate. It looks like a partsocaster to me, probably a good playing guitar, but not something I would pay a huge sum for.

The neck on my DS-185 is very thin, not something I was expecting on a 50s style strat. I'm used to it now, though I normally prefer a chunkier neck. My DS-100's neck is sort of a medium thickness (sorry, I'm crap at descriping neck shapes).

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Post by youami » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:43 pm

Here's the RW Duncan I'd be going for:

http://www.digimart.net/inst_detail.do? ... DS00647016

Here's one of the Custom Pro's (1-piece body, Honduras Rosewood, super-strat style):

http://www.digimart.net/inst_detail.do? ... DS00661735

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Post by soundcreation » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:46 pm

Yeah it seems to be tough to tell about finish sometimes. If I'm going really high end though I kind of want nitro over bare wood. It's funny cause I was under the impression the traditionals were straight poly.

Some of these ones coming up on rinkya recently are just sick deals in my opinion. Any one looking for a top flight strat would be well to pick one up. I'd argue you couldn't find a real fender any where near that kind of quality for those prices.

One thing though...personally I would try to find one with original pickups as they used a custom over wound SD pickup...the "beefed up". I don't know if they are available else where.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:48 pm

youami wrote:Here's the RW Duncan I'd be going for:

http://www.digimart.net/inst_detail.do? ... DS00647016
That looks extremely nice!
youami wrote:Here's one of the Custom Pro's (1-piece body, Honduras Rosewood, super-strat style):

http://www.digimart.net/inst_detail.do? ... DS00661735
This one has the same bridge as that possible DS-200R in the link I posted. Bacchus also use a bridge like this on the newer G-Player type Strats.
Could be legit?
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Post by youami » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:29 am

JVsearch wrote:Could be legit?
I never seen another like it. I guess it could be a custom order or something. Maybe it's a precursor to the Custom Pro model?

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Post by soundcreation » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:32 am

I think the custom models were pretty rare. I would think that one is legit for sure. You can never really tell what these companies came up with..so many models. I've seen a couple of SD Jaguars come up as well. Gorgeous looking versions but the one thing that bugged me was they didn't have the traditional Jag bridge. I believe they fell under the custom designation as well.

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Post by JVsearch » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:10 pm

Hi again,

I gutted out on that strange custom DS-200R. I'll have to wait a bit to see what's happening with the auctions.

Just wanted to clarify about the neck sizes/profiles:
Youami said his DS-185 has a very thin neck, so to me this would mean the finger board is narrow? The profile though, could still be fat, if you know what I mean?

I would guess that the DSs should have Fender width boards - 1.650 or 1.625 inch (41.9mm or 41.4mm) which is what I want. I do like a bit of depth to the profile though, so it fills your hand a bit.

Here's a couple of DS-100s:

http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w39992829
Looks nice, but not a lot of info or pics, maybe a bit pricey, but it is a rosewood board.

http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e89710506
Very nice price, and lots of extra pics from the seller here:
http://photos.yahoo.co.jp/ph/annamat3/l ... ph&.view=t

The neck profile looks pretty chunky for a Strat (nice). Although it's a maple neck/board which is not my preference, maybe it's better to try out a cheaper Strat for the first time, as it is only an idea in my head that I want rosewood, I have no actual experience to tell me that it will sound better to me than a maple one.

You guys seem to prefer the maple ones, aren't they a bit sticky to play as well?
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by youami » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:00 pm

Yep, both my Duncan's are around 42mm at the nut. They are both quite evenly rounded in profile, C shape I guess. The 185 is very thin though, not what I would call chunky at all. The 100 is chunkier, but not what I would call super-chunky. Anyway, take all this with a grain of salt, my reference points are a Fender Japan ST54-VSP that I owned which had a great, chunky V-neck and various other Fender Japan TX models that had medium size necks. Overall, the DS-100 is similar to the TX models, the DS-185 is just super slim. I was really dissapointed with the 185 neck initially, but am now used to it. The guitar overall has much more of a quality feel and sound than any other Strat I've owned.

The DS-100 that you link to has got a good bit of flame on the neck, looks cool. Unbeatable Strat for the money (my DS-100 cost me around 50,000 Yen). I don't really have a preference between maple and rosewood.

OMG, I just found this on Digimart...

http://www.digimart.net/inst_detail.do? ... DS00669602

What a kick-ass looking Strat! Very reasonable price too (though out of my league . :cry: ).

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