Can you help date this Silver Star?

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Can you help date this Silver Star?

Post by Martyn27uk » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:28 pm

Hi,

I have a Tokai Silver Star, which I've owned since 2007.

It's black on black with maple neck, skunk stripe and three screw micro-adjustable neck cover. It's as near as dammit a perfect copy of my '77 Fender Strat.

The serial number is on the tremolo spring cover - 5026459

No label to identify the model. I know the picks ups have been replaced.

Headstock reads "The Quality Musical Instruments of the World" under the black script Tokai logo. There's no "Oldie" logo further along.

Grateful for any information!

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Post by J.E.M. » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:43 pm

To me that looks like a 1985 and a lower model, maybe a 38 judging by the tuners and saddles which both look original, someone will probably say post some more pics with the guard and neck off for a more conclusive answer...

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Post by Martyn27uk » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:13 pm

Thank you. It’s due a string change so I’ll see what’s under the neck then.

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Post by Peter Mac » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:58 pm

Hi guys,

This is definately not a 1985 Model.
It is much, much later - maybe 2005. The logo is more modern than 1985 plus serial numbers on 1985 models were under the 'Tokai' logo and the banner ' the Quality Musical Instruments of the World' did not appear at all and there was no 'Oldies but Goldies' either. The rest was blank.
It appears more modern to me, but at this point I could not say which Year exactly. As SilverStars were initially for the Japanese Market only, it is quite difficult to find references to them in any English printed catalogs.
The choice of location for the serial number is closer to 1954 Strats than 1976 ones but the font is correct for Tokai guitars - albeit Gibson replicas, not Fender.
It could well be this is a Korean or Chinese outsourced Model. Maybe contact the Factory themselves as they could put a better time on it.

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1995?

Post by Martyn27uk » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:24 am

Thanks Peter,

To be honest, when I got the guitar in 07 it felt like a guitar that was more than two years old... the tremolo block is labelled Made in Japan so I’m hoping that holds true for the rest of the guitar.

Is the leading “5” on the serial number a date code? 1995 would fit better with the guitar’s “feel”. I have the original PUs somewhere, might they give me a clue? I’ll take the neck off when I change the strings but as far as I know there isn’t usually a date stamp on the neck, unlike Squiers.

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Post by J.E.M. » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:22 am

This is the second Silver Star recently that's been a bit of an oddity and it seems like other models, we still don't know all there is to know about the Silver Star's... but deferring to Peter's opinion is a sound choice.

The more pictures you post the more informed the comments will be, post pics of all body cavities and electrics and the neck including the butt end then we'll see where the discussion goes.

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TOKAI identification

Post by viliam_krahulec » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:14 am

Hi guys. That seems exactly like my case.
Cant help myself, but it does not look like a very high quality build.
It reads MADE IN JAPAN on the bridge block from the inside...
SN: 5028448 (on the back cover plate)
I would be really thankfull for your opinions.
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Thank you

EDIT: I do not know why those IMGs arent showing up... Tried different hostings...


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Post by viliam_krahulec » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:27 am

Thanks Brokentoes.

So I tried to contact Tokai via their official webpage. Was not hoping for an answer, but this appeared in my inbox:

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tokai_contact@tokaijapan.com
so 13. 7. 11:51 (pred 2 dňami)
komu: ja

Hello Filip,

From the pictures, it seems to be TSS38 BB made in Japan and made around 1985.

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So I am really not sure now...

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Post by Peter Mac » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:43 am

SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN REPLYING>

i have not seen this type of wiring before on an old Tokai. It is not from 1985, thats for sure.
The body routing is correct, even the neck pocket, but lack of body code stamps definately puts it outside my era. Neck stamp [8-1] shows it was produced after 1986.
It definately looks original, even the solder joints, so if I had to put a guess forward from the comments and pictures I would hazard 1995.
Hope this helps

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Post by viliam_krahulec » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:39 am

Peter Mac wrote:SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN REPLYING>

i have not seen this type of wiring before on an old Tokai. It is not from 1985, thats for sure.
The body routing is correct, even the neck pocket, but lack of body code stamps definately puts it outside my era. Neck stamp [8-1] shows it was produced after 1986.
It definately looks original, even the solder joints, so if I had to put a guess forward from the comments and pictures I would hazard 1995.
Hope this helps

Peter
Thanks a lot Pete.

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Post by Peter Mac » Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:20 pm

No worries Vilian,

I actually have a 1985 SilverStar YSOR with me at the moment should you wish to compare details. it is listed on Reverb.
https://reverb.com/au/item/19173770-198 ... e-sunburst

Take care.
Peter
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