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FS: Greco Dry Z PAF clones - SOLD
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20 century boy
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Koubayashi said:Talk about how a hype can double the value on a guitar
Does it work for pick up too?
20 century boy said:Koubayashi said:Talk about how a hype can double the value on a guitar
Does it work for pick up too?
Very interesting comment. I'm sure we'd all love to hear about the personal experience you've had with Dry Z's that has led you to the conclusion that they are not worthy of the overwhelming praise they've received on sites from around the world - not only on this forum.
Please, do tell. :roll:
RyanC said:
I'm not that well informed when it comes to the high end Greco models (too risky a purchase if you are not an expert), but I have never heard anything of Dry Z pickups except for a few things I have read here.
I would be interested to learn more about them and what makes them special if the info is out there.
duff
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why are they potted when they are supposed to be a paf clones ?
JohnA
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duff said:
The same reason as lots of the originals were potted by the owners, so they don't whissle with loud high-gain settings, the effect on the tone of the pickup when potted is close to nothing, I've had pickups potted and they sound exactly the same afterwards.
The reason DRY-Z's command such a high price is they sound great and are as rare as original PAF's which cost a whole lot more.
I would guess they were potted some time after being manufactured, I assume because they had gone microphonic - unless Greco potted the Z's that were going into their hollowbody SA-1200's (but I have no idea if that is the case).
It's a very common remedy on a common issue with older wound pickups. The effect potting has on tone is debated to great length (as are all things related to tone I suppose). Some say it muffles the pickup, some say a more rounded tone from the wood itself becomes apparent.
Thanks for your question.
It's a very common remedy on a common issue with older wound pickups. The effect potting has on tone is debated to great length (as are all things related to tone I suppose). Some say it muffles the pickup, some say a more rounded tone from the wood itself becomes apparent.
Thanks for your question.
A
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JohnA said:
As rare as original PAFs?
:-? Mike
stratman323 said:JohnA said:
As rare as original PAFs?
Mike
That's certainly debatable Mike. However, I will say I know of more original PAF's for sale right now than Dry Z's
And we won't bother to compare prices...JohnA
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stratman323 said:JohnA said:
As rare as original PAFs?
Mike
Do a search on ebay and YJ for PAF's and DRY-Z's there are a lot more PAF's up for sale. PAF's were used by Gibson from '56 to the mid '60's on different models, the DRY-Z's were used on 3 or 4 Greco models for two years.
A set of PAF covers is up for sale for more than Ryan is asking for his DRY-Z's and I bet the DRY-Z's sound better :wink:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-ORIGINAL-1960-61-GIBSON-GOLD-PAF-COVERS-SET_W0QQitemZ250453203575QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item3a502c9a77&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1683|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
20 century boy
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RyanC said:20 century boy said:Koubayashi said:Talk about how a hype can double the value on a guitar
Does it work for pick up too?
Very interesting comment. I'm sure we'd all love to hear about the personal experience you've had with Dry Z's that has led you to the conclusion that they are not worthy of the overwhelming praise they've received on sites from around the world - not only on this forum.
Please, do tell. :roll:
Ho I'm sure they're great. But that sort of price for a pair of used pickups... You can find the best pickups available for half the price (probably just as good). I understand the price is dictated by the rareness of those but that's all it is. That's what the forums lead to.
If the good guitars are getting more and more hard to find, the good pickups are everywhere. We live the golden age of the pickups. Pickup makers opens everywhere. You can find exact replicas of old PAF or pickups made to your own specs...
20 century boy said:
I completely understand your point, but couldn't the same be said of original PAFs?
In the realm of tone, or what I hear versus what you hear, there can be no definitive answer. All I can say is that I have personally owned SD Antiquities, JM Rolph Pretenders, and Lollar Imperials. All were very good - but the Dry Z's are better without question IMHO.
Spending $400 for "probably just as good" makes the extra $200 seem more than fair to me. Granted, as the seller I have a bit of a bias.
Cheers!
Koubayashi
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This set was firs sold for a bit over 60000yen.
Then suddenly they were back for business and went for a bit over 30000 just last week.
Compared to original PAFs? Well, it is hard to say. The magnets lose strength over the years and so on....The real PAF, those that are sought after were made from 57 to 60. The 61-63 are not nearly as rare or expensive.
Dry Z sounds really great and I can't think of any pickups made after 1960 that are as good (for Les Paul). The original is always the original but they cost more than 3000$ a piece. My friend lost and original 57 PAF. He removed the original pickups from his 57 LP and when he was about to reinstall them he could only find one of them A year later or so he found it in a box in the mess!! I have compared plenty high end Grecos with real late 50's LP's and they are far closer the original than modern Gibsons. Both in sound and feeling. Too bad only the 1800 has solid flametop
Edit: Just found an original 1959 PAF for sale: 4500$ if you are interested
But no Greco can beat the feeling of opening an old case and get the smell 50 years of blood sweat and tears.
****** mobile pic but you can see what it is (its a LP with real PAF)
Then suddenly they were back for business and went for a bit over 30000 just last week.
Compared to original PAFs? Well, it is hard to say. The magnets lose strength over the years and so on....The real PAF, those that are sought after were made from 57 to 60. The 61-63 are not nearly as rare or expensive.
Dry Z sounds really great and I can't think of any pickups made after 1960 that are as good (for Les Paul). The original is always the original but they cost more than 3000$ a piece. My friend lost and original 57 PAF. He removed the original pickups from his 57 LP and when he was about to reinstall them he could only find one of them
A year later or so he found it in a box in the mess!! I have compared plenty high end Grecos with real late 50's LP's and they are far closer the original than modern Gibsons. Both in sound and feeling. Too bad only the 1800 has solid flametop Edit: Just found an original 1959 PAF for sale: 4500$ if you are interested
But no Greco can beat the feeling of opening an old case and get the smell 50 years of blood sweat and tears.
****** mobile pic but you can see what it is (its a LP with real PAF)
MIJvintage
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what do the members here that have played Dry Z pups think about the potted vs. non potted issue, as far as Dry Z pups only?
Thanks
Thanks
Koubayashi
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MIJvintage said:
Potted are always better imo.
villager
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i never had potted ones.. I have 14 sets of dry Z's none are microphonic,
MIJvintage
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Koubayashi said:
Thanks
so you have played both stock/non potted Dry Z pups & potted Dry Z pups too?
could you elaborate on what there was that you preferred about the potted Dry Z pups over the non potted version(s)?
MIJvintage
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villager said:
Thanks Mark
MIJvintage
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