Pickups for LP's

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Pickups for LP's

Post by mongoose » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:58 am

Hey I know pickups have been discussed before but I am still hazy on the subject. I have a Love Rock and I'm interested in switching the pickups. I'm looking at either SD SH 4- JB with a complimentary SD or the EMG Zakk Wylde set. What I was wondering was if these pickups will fit into my LP? Also I beleive the ZW set needs a battery so I wonder if I need to open up the guitar to replace the batteries often. Also it comes with a switch which I would hate to see installed on the guitar. Sorry just a few more questions...
-What is the difference between humbuckers and soapbars?
-Do I necessarily have to replace both pickups to compliment each others sound?
-What is the usual cost for a luthier or guitar tech to install these?

Thanks everyone.

Forgot to mention I am going for either a Kiss sound like Ace or Paul OR a Zakk Wylde squealer, very different I know... Any suggestions on other pickups would be great, I'd rather go for this Kiss sound if possible.
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Post by Guitargoblin » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:17 am

If you want a Kiss type sound, go for a Dimarzio Super Distortion in the bridge & a Dimarzio Virtual PAF in the neck. Dimarzios are a pain to install, as they have multiple wires, but they won't require any mods to your axe. The closest Seymour Duncan equivalent would be a SH1 '59 in the neck & an SH4 JB for the bridge. Duncans are more simple to install. EMGs will give you the Zakk Wylde high-gain squeal but that's about all they can do. In any other application they sound sterile. It's mostly down to the way you play, in fact. I can get pinch harmonics galore with just about any pickup. Throw on enough gain & they come through loud & clear.
I'd go for passive pups with a reasonable output that can enable high-gain playing if that's your thing, but can also be suitable for other styles too.
P-90s or "soapbars" are awesome fat-sounding single coils. They're more "open" sounding & throatier than humbuckers & can clean up much better too, which makes them more versatile. But given your influences, I'd say you'd be looking more for humbuckers. If you were to go for P-90s, you'd need to get them in humbucker size format, e.g Duncan Phat Cat or Gibson P94, as your guitar is routed for humbuckers.
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Post by mongoose » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:09 am

Hey thanks a lot, I appreciate your response. I looked on the Ace Frehley Signature Gibson and it has the Super Distortion and PAF's so they seem logical. What kind of Mods would need to be done for the SDs?
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Post by Guitargoblin » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:03 am

No mods at all for the Duncans, just for EMGs. Duncans have simple 2-wire configurations and are easy to install. Dimarzios are a bit more complicated, but if you get a tech to do it it shouldn't be an issue. They're cheaper than Duncans too. Of course, for the full Ace Frehley visual vibe you'll need to get 'em in exposed double-white!
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Post by PoorMan » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:19 pm

Guitargoblin wrote:No mods at all for the Duncans, just for EMGs. Duncans have simple 2-wire configurations and are easy to install. Dimarzios are a bit more complicated, but if you get a tech to do it it shouldn't be an issue. They're cheaper than Duncans too. Of course, for the full Ace Frehley visual vibe you'll need to get 'em in exposed double-white!
DMZs install just as easily as Duncans. The only installation difference is when you have a single conductor wire vs a 4 conductor wire. But Duncans also come with 4 conduictor wiring just like DMZs.

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Post by Guitargoblin » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:43 am

PoorMan wrote:
Guitargoblin wrote: But Duncans also come with 4 conduictor wiring just like DMZs.
I've only ever installed 2-conductor Duncans ('59 HB, Antiquity HB, Antiquity P-90, Vintage P-90, Hot P-90)
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Post by black1 » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:50 am

Go for Bare Knuckle Pickups they have a large assorment of incredible pickups, i highly recommend them. You can go to there sight and listen to several examples of pickups.

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Post by mongoose » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Thank you for the responses

I've noticed a lot of members here have BK's, but are they available to Canada? I plan to only replace the one pick up and maybe try to install some sort of smoke bomb for the front...without melting my guitar, any ideas?
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Post by black1 » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:05 pm

Yes you can order from there site and they will ship to Canada.

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Post by Cybercat » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:55 pm

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Post by big-ace » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:06 am

if you want to try a fairly cheap experiment with pickups, try a mightymite motherbucker. they only come in black or zebra ( or get a pup cover. yes i would like one in cream but they dont make them). they are a full on alnico humbucker that sound pretty good and are very cheap on ebay. they dont clean up too well but Ace didnt really have a clean sound anyway. i have one in an explorer and a Burny LP custom. they sound pretty good with just enough harmonic squeals if that is your playing style. dont ever go for a seymour duncan distortion. they are way over the top with the harmonics and will make you sound like a bad 80's big hair metal band.

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Post by burnyIII » Sun May 27, 2007 12:26 am

Hello.

I think Pickup choice is the most difficult thing.

First, you have to know what sound you want and what PU could deliver that sound.
Second, a pickupp that brings this sound in guitar A doesn't necessarily deliever the same sound in guitar B.

Examples?
Well, i have a Rockinger PAF ETC as neck PU in an old Hoyer neck through mahagony Gibson scale guitar. And it sounds great.
The same PU in the neck of my Burny LP Standard copy didn't sound that great.

The SD SH4 aka JB has its own sound. High(er) output, lots of mid upper mids and enough trebles, without sounding ear piercing. It is great for some distorted sounds, but sometimes i miss a little clearity, brilliance, bass response and a more open frequency scale.

I have an DiMarzio AirNorton in the bridge of my Burny LP.
It has a little less trebles/upper mids than the JB. And has less output than the JB, but still much more than a PAF. It has good bass and lower mids response, sounds a little warmer than the JB and not so compressed. I think it is worth a trial.

But a PU change is imho always an experiment. You hardly will know inadvance whether the PU brings exactly the sound you desire and whether the PUs sound will combine with your guitars acoustic sound.

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Post by Ozeshin » Sun May 27, 2007 2:27 am

mongoose wrote:Thank you for the responses

I've noticed a lot of members here have BK's, but are they available to Canada? I plan to only replace the one pick up and maybe try to install some sort of smoke bomb for the front...without melting my guitar, any ideas?
So are you in a KISS cover band?
I mean...I'd be one of the biggest KISS fanatics on the forum and even I won't do an Ace Frehley and risk setting my beloved Love Rock on fire.
Just bought a Paul Stanley Sovereign model.
Go the Dimarzio route....I have a SuperII and a PAF in my V and can recommend them.

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Post by burnyIII » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:11 am

Guitargoblin wrote:....Dimarzios are a pain to install, as they have multiple wires....
Sorry, that is nonsense.

Someone who IS able to install a new pickup will have no problems to solder the "2 additional wires" of a DiMarzio-4-wires-cable.

Someone who hast problems doinng that, will surely not be able to install a pickup correctly, no matter whether a 2- or a 4-wire-PU.

To come backto the original topic:
there are many good PUs that potentially fit in a Les Paul.
Check out Rockingers ( www.rockinger.com ) PAF ETC and Alnico II Custom, check DiMarzio VirtualPaf/VirtualHotPaf, check DiMarzios AirClassics.
If you like it a little hotter than vintage humbuckers, check a Dimarzio AirNorton.

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Post by Guitargoblin » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:39 am

burnyIII wrote:
Guitargoblin wrote:....Dimarzios are a pain to install, as they have multiple wires....
Sorry, that is nonsense.

Someone who IS able to install a new pickup will have no problems to solder the "2 additional wires" of a DiMarzio-4-wires-cable.

Someone who hast problems doinng that, will surely not be able to install a pickup correctly, no matter whether a 2- or a 4-wire-PU.


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