Baachus BLP-59 - What? When? etc

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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:31 am

marcusnieman wrote:That 57 is gorgeous.

Bacchus is still relatively unknown here in the States. The thing I hear more about mine is "What is it? Can I play it?"

With all the discusson about the pickups, in my own pedestrian way, like Rich said, I think the pickups in it are some of the best strat pickups I've ever heard...... and for some reason, I'd concluded that they were Yutas. Now finding that they aren't, it doesn't change how good they sound or how damn well made that guitar is...... just love it.
Agree Marcus, my point is that Yutas or Alnico Specials could well just be different names for the same thing, and that there were variations in production details over the years. Mij says Yutas Suck, but to my ears they sound the same as the ones with flat poles.

I think i'm going round in circles :wink:

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Post by DaveWW » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:59 am

Time for a picture :D

My Bacchi - P90s and single coils. Haven't researched what they are but they sound absolutely great :D

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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:18 pm

Nice pic Dave!! A lovely pair of Bacchi :D

mij, I've had multiple sets of Strat pickups, and can hear the differences in all of them, but the two Bacchus variants (or is it three) sounded very similar to me, what puzzles me is how you can one one type and say the others suck, there must be something else in the equation.

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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:45 pm

MIJvintage wrote: what could that "something else" be?

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The guitar they are in??

As I've said repeatedly, I've compared flat pole and bevelled pole pickups in Bacchus Strats and they sounded very similar, to say that one type sucks and another is great would suggest they are very different. What differences did you hear?

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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:14 pm

Horse beaten, case closed :wink:

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Post by JVsearch » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:21 pm

jacco wrote:what do you think is a good price for such a guitars, something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Bacchus-BST-57-Repli ... 1e5b647463
If you can wait a few months, search Japan auctions and get one for 50k yen (maybe less), which is about 400 Euro, but you will have shipping and fees on top of that.

Just as an example this one is 44,800 buy it now, but it's left handed:

http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /w48701374
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by stratman323 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:22 pm

MIJvintage wrote:As I stated previously in another thread, and not in these exact words, my ears like the flat pole top examples because IMO they have a more ?vintage? tone.
My ears didn?t care for the beveled pole top examples because IMO they have a hotter/less vintage tonal response.
Remember, that is a comparison with my ears, not your ears, not a meter, just my ears.
That is a comparison with two examples with the beveled poles, and four examples with the flat poles.
I?m looking for a vintage type response from a Strat single coil, not a hotter/less vintage response.

Haven?t we beaten this horse to death twenty five times over? ??????
Yes we have, but the problem is that both of my sets have flat top poles & I like them because they are fatter, warmer & hotter than typical vintage spec Strat pickups. And measuring them just confirms that they are hot, overwound pickups. I can't comment on the bevelled top pickups as I haven't tried them, but the flat top pickups I have, & I believe that John has too, are amongst the fattest & loudest Strat pickups I have tried.

John, your white No. 1 Strat has flat top poles doesn't it?

I know quality & tone is subjective, but output isn't, it can be measured. That's why some of us measured our pickups before, & those measurements are amongst the few facts we have available to us.

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Post by MIJvintage » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:25 pm

well, I'm glad we all like them, no matter what they are .............

so, what about that GD Bacchus Les Paul :P .......................
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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:39 pm

Mike my white one has the flat tops in the middle & neck and a newer YUTA in the bridge as it came with a hot rails thingy,

I agree, I think they are very hot and not particuarly vintage sounding, but still clear and Stratty in a way something like a Texas special isn't.

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Post by jacco » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:42 pm

JohnA wrote:
jacco wrote:what do you think is a good price for such a guitars, something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Bacchus-BST-57-Repli ... 1e5b647463
That one used to be mine! Nice smallish V neck and in great condition! I think the starting price is fair, a very good price in UK/Europe would be 600-650 but the problem is finding one!
now I'm confused.. a '57 replica shouldn't have a small neck, should it? Or did you mean small for a Bacchus??

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Post by jacco » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:47 pm

JVsearch wrote:
jacco wrote:what do you think is a good price for such a guitars, something like this?

http://cgi.ebay.nl/Bacchus-BST-57-Repli ... 1e5b647463
If you can wait a few months, search Japan auctions and get one for 50k yen (maybe less), which is about 400 Euro, but you will have shipping and fees on top of that.

Just as an example this one is 44,800 buy it now, but it's left handed:

http://www.rinkya.com/twview.pl?URL=htt ... /w48701374
Thanks! I think that's best way to go. I bought 4 MIJs the last 3 months, I hope I will have some patience from now on..

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Post by JohnA » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:50 pm

I meant small for a Bacchus, I have two with huge necks, the '57 on ebay is really nice! JVsearch was saying to pick one up on Rinkya for 50000 yen, with Rinkya fees VAT and shipping thats ?600 landed, if you can find one. There are a few on YJ at the minute around the 90K mark

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