Baachus BLP-59 - What? When? etc

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Post by JohnA » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:54 am

The '62's and '64's have what I think are slim necks - C Profile, definetely bigger than some, but about the same as a typical MIJ Fender, the '54's have huge boat necks, and the 57's a chunky but not massive V profile

Of course there is likely to be some variation, I've only played about 10 examples and I have an older Riverhead RST-57 with a huge V neck

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:00 am

JohnA wrote:The '62's and '64's have what I think are slim necks - C Profile, definetely bigger than some, but about the same as a typical MIJ Fender,
I guess it's a question of what you consider to be slim! :lol: The Fender Japan comparison might be a good one - I have found that FJs tend to have fatter necks than most Tokais - Springys, Goldstars, Silver Stars. I guess that's a major reason why I prefer Tokais.

The BST64V neck is noticeably fatter than any of my Tokais - and mine are all rosewood board guitars.

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Post by MIJvintage » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:20 am

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Post by jacco » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:32 am

ah, so that ain't so easy, huh? what are the physical difference in your opinion between the 2?
btw are alnico SP's the same as alnico II's?

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Post by jacco » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:35 am

marcusnieman wrote: The in between positions 2 and 4 sound far better and stronger than any of my Strats..... think VERY Robert Cray.
marcus, what kind of amp do you use?

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Post by MIJvintage » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:00 am

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Post by jacco » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:35 am

that's really great info, thanks alot!!

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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:11 am

I also mentioned in one post that there are probably two different Yuta pickups. I have BST54 (fat neck) and BST 62 (slimmer, very similar to '79 sikverstar maple neck - short answer to neck question) and they have totaly different outputs. I wrote this down somewhere on this forum.
I also found out that Tokai SS maple necks are litlle bit fatter than rosewood necks - I had 5 SS till now.

I found my old post ;)

to answer my question - now I have two Bacchus guitars (54V and 62) + extra Yuta pickup set I just installed in Tokai SS (+ changed all electronics and wired 2 volume, 1 tone pot - if anyone needs that schematics, let me know).
I compared both Bacchus and find that BST62 has more gain. I put guitar apart. Ohm meter shows around 6,4 k on pickups, on 54V and other Yuta pickups shows around 5,7 k Ohm. So looks like there are two version of Yuta pickups - Yuta VS1 5,7 k (in 50's Bacchus) and Yuta VS2 6,4 (in 60's Bacchus).
I also found this web site with Fender pickup specifications and makes sense.
If Bacchus makes clones, also pickups should be similar to original year stratocasters
http://www.provide.net/~cfh/pickups.html

both guitars (now actually all three guitars) with different Yuta pickups sound really really great. So if you need to upgrade strat I definitelly recommend Yuta pickups

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Post by JVsearch » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:36 am

^ Exactly!

General rule should be that the 50s copies will have the lower output alnicos.
There's probably a few exceptions out there though!
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by JohnA » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:46 am

JVsearch wrote:^ Exactly!

General rule should be that the 50s copies will have the lower output alnicos.
There's probably a few exceptions out there though!
I think I posted the readings of my BST-57 somewhere and I'm sure they were 6.4K or something, in fact most of the Yutas I've seen have been up there, I suspect they Bacchus the hotter ones most of the time.

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:08 am

Well John, from MIJ's description, it seems that those Yutas I bought from you are Alnico Specials! Not a problem, they work well in my red Goldie.

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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:26 am

JohnA - maybe there is a difference btw 54 and 57 Bacchus. Do you remember the difference in sound on this two guitars?

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Post by marcusnieman » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:54 am

jacco wrote:
marcusnieman wrote: The in between positions 2 and 4 sound far better and stronger than any of my Strats..... think VERY Robert Cray.
marcus, what kind of amp do you use?
Mostly tube amps - Fenders and Magnatones. No pedals or effects (other than a Dunlop Uni Vibe stomp box for non trem amps)

My go to amp in most cases is a Fender Blues Junior limited edition tweed.


As for the Bacchus necks - my BST64-V is more on the chunky side. The profile is almost exactly that of my Fender 65 strat..... very comfortable to play because I'm used to it. Skinnier profiles (like a 62) are almost too slim for my liking.

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Post by JohnA » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:04 pm

Diodibuh wrote:JohnA - maybe there is a difference btw 54 and 57 Bacchus. Do you remember the difference in sound on this two guitars?
To my ears my BST-57 and your BST-54 sounded very similar indeed, the slight difference I put down to one being alder and the other ash, the pickups sounded very similar.

Mike - I'm still not convinced there such a thing as alnico specials, I think Yutas may have had varying pole pieces and maybe wire, in all other respects the pickups look the same, even the little coloured dots on the bases, mij's comments about being more interested in the readings was simply another way to identify which was which, if there is a difference!

As Doidibuh pointed out there were Yuta VS-1's and vs-2's not 100% sure of the differences though.

Whatever those pickups were I sold you they certainly sounded very similar to the ones in the other Bacchi I've played :D

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