Baachus BLP-59 - What? When? etc

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Baachus BLP-59 - What? When? etc

Post by 58gasman » Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:01 pm

I don't much ( actually anything) :D about these instruments.

When were the BLP-59 Les paul styles made?

How much did they cost?

long tenon, hyde glue? etc?

Any information is appreciated.

Thanks!

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Post by JVsearch » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:39 am

I'm assuming you're referring to the clone LPs, that is, the Bacchus Vintage series LPs?

The model codes are:
BLS - Bacchus Les Paul Standard
BLC - Bacchus Les Paul Custom

They were made from about 1994 to 2005/06, but you can still get them by special order. Not all of them have long tenons, but even those ones still have the medium tenon which is as good a joint as you'll ever need. The early production of the BLS-95s was medium tenon and poly finish.

All of them have a poly undercoat except for the ones that are oil finished. They all have chrome hardware and some seem to use what looks like a Nashville Tune-o-matic but mounted on ABR posts, so an ABR type bridge could be dropped on if vintage accuracy is important. Hide glue! Forgeddaboutit. Honduran? Unlikely, you are more likely to get Honduran on the first run of Bacchus Duke LPs which do not have the cloned headstock (and a few other differences). As always there are special models, custom orders etc that are different.

The current retail price of the Duke LPs is 180k yen, and the Vintage series LPs would have retailed in the 90 to 120k range when they were released.

They are great guitars regardless of the specs. The only way to get one is from this forum, ebay and from Japan, but they are not that common.

Have a look here for some more detail:
http://almosttokai.freeforums.org/bacch ... s-t54.html
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by jacco » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:42 am

That's great info, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
Is there something similar for bacchus strats?

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:07 am

jacco wrote:That's great info, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
Is there something similar for bacchus strats?
Yes.... the Bacchus vintage series for strats as well. Top shelf

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Post by jacco » Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:24 am

Thanks Marcus, so they're good!
I was looking for the same kind of info on these strats; when they were made/which specs..
I just can't seem to get that sound I am hearing in my head out of my 1978 Greco SE600. Changed the pots, caps & pickups several times and it's 'ok' now. But maybe that's because I am not really a strat kind of guy :wink:

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Post by JohnA » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:01 am

The Vintage Series Strats, are excellent close replicas of 54 57 62 & 64 Strats, the Yuta pickups are hotter than most strat vintage pickups, but I like them better because of that. IMO for the money they are as good a Strat copy as you can but.

The BLS59's are also great LP copies, if you are after all the anal details like hide glue look elsewhere, but if you want a great guitar then put one on the shopping list!
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Post by marcusnieman » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:13 am

jacco wrote:Thanks Marcus, so they're good!
I was looking for the same kind of info on these strats; when they were made/which specs..
I just can't seem to get that sound I am hearing in my head out of my 1978 Greco SE600. Changed the pots, caps & pickups several times and it's 'ok' now. But maybe that's because I am not really a strat kind of guy :wink:
Some info on them in this section.... MIJvintage is probably one of the most knowlegeable about the brand. I bought the relic below in the first link from him - been playing it ever since:

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14061

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14060

History of the brand:

http://www.japanvintageguitars.com/Bacc ... story.html

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Post by jacco » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:25 pm

That's a good looking piece you got there. I love a white strat with dark fretboard!

I love a fat, warm & glassy sound. Sofar I have come accross the Yuta, Alnico SP & Alnico II. What's the best choice?

Uhm, I think I have taken over this thread, sorry gasman :oops:

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:05 pm

jacco wrote:That's a good looking piece you got there. I love a white strat with dark fretboard!

I love a fat, warm & glassy sound. Sofar I have come accross the Yuta, Alnico SP & Alnico II. What's the best choice?

Uhm, I think I have taken over this thread, sorry gasman :oops:
Just edited this post..... mine in the BST64-V are the Alnico Specials - as per the catalog page - not the Yuta's as I'd mistakenly stated below:

The Yutas are LOUD compared to the others.... not necessarily hot output, just LOUD.

By far the best sounding strat neck pickup I've ever played. The bridge is equally as good...... lots of mid range and none of the shrillness or thin, brittle sound found on so many bridge pickups..... a very playable pickup.

The middle could use a little more spank to it for my preference - as with the others lots of nice mid range. I still do play the middle position a lot.

The in between positions 2 and 4 sound far better and stronger than any of my Strats..... think VERY Robert Cray.

These pickups are really something else..... makes all my other ones sound feeble.

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Post by 58gasman » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:25 pm

Thanks guys.

Gotta love those MIJ guitars. :D

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Post by Diodibuh » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:26 am

I was looking for nice strat, wanted to buy Springy ST80 or higher but then JohnA convinced me to buy Bacchus Vintage series....And what happened? Now I have two BST ;)
In my opinion - price/performance strat guitars at the moment.

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Post by jacco » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:27 am

Ok, I will be on the lookout for a Bacchus BST with Yuta's from now on.. thank guys!

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:51 am

The only problem with the Bacchus Vintage series Strats is that the necks are very chunky. Well I say problem, I guess that's a good point for many people, but for me it's the only drawback. Tokai Strats tend to have slimmer necks.

Mike

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Post by jacco » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:33 am

Hi Mike,

Do you know if ALL vintage series strats have a chunky neck?

Thanks, Jacco

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Post by stratman323 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:46 am

JohnA & MIJVintage are the best people to answer that. I only have one (a BST64V), but I have played one of John's, & I get the impression that Bacchi generally are blessed (or cursed) with larger necks.

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