Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

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Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by guitar hiro » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:33 pm

currently on Yahoo Japan for a paltry $8,400 plus is a (claimed) 1980 Tokai LS-200. Is it real, or is it Memorex?
Seller claims the guitar has Honduran Mahogany & Brazilian; is that the spec for 1980 LS-200?
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b496082209


here is an ended listing for a claimed 1979 Tokai LS-200 that sold for over $11,500. Is it real, or is it Memorex?
This seller makes no claim of Honduran, nor of Brazilian.
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/au ... ef=alt_txt


So, anyone here know the actual spec for the (vintage) LS-200? Honduran, or African 'hog?
Brazilian, or Indian rosewood?
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by mdvineng » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:13 am

From Peter's book, he doesn't believe that Brazilian was ever used by Tokai due to expense and rarity etc
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by Loudmouse » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:08 am

Doesn't the "Tokai" logo look a little low on the headstock of that 1979?
I guess they were all hand placed anyway?
I heard they threatened Tokai with a lawsuit, but they never got to Cort?

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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm

Loudmouse wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:08 am
Doesn't the "Tokai" logo look a little low on the headstock of that 1979?
I guess they were all hand placed anyway?

The seller mentioned this in the listing; translated (of course) here.
"The gold logo of the LS200 is also in a slightly downward position peculiar to 1979."
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:34 pm

mdvineng wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:13 am
From Peter's book, he doesn't believe that Brazilian was ever used by Tokai due to expense and rarity etc
No Braz? How about Honduran?
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by mdvineng » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:20 pm

Madagascar or Indian mentioned as having very little difference to Brazilian. Also that a lot of Tokais are falsely declared to have Brazilian because the Rosewood naturally darkens with age to look like Brazilian.
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:10 pm

mdvineng wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:20 pm
Madagascar or Indian mentioned as having very little difference to Brazilian. Also that a lot of Tokais are falsely declared to have Brazilian because the Rosewood naturally darkens with age to look like Brazilian.
It would be interesting to know what the English translation of the Tokai catalog has to say as far as fingerboard lumber for the LS-200.
I don't read Japanese so, I can't translate any info from the catalog myself.
I do understand that some folks make claims, often unsubstantiated.
Maybe Harold could take a peek at the Tokai catalog & see what it states for the fingerboard lumber for the LS-200. :)
Would also be interested to know what it states for body & neck lumber; Honduran, or Mahogany aka not Honduran.

As far as vintage Tokai LS examples, I understand the allure, the hype, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I'm just glad I purchased my 2000 LS-320 many years ago & now it is a 20 year vintage example; of course, not 'vintage' Tokai.
At least with the 2000 LS-320 there is pretty much certainty of the lumbers used, as the catalog specs were published in English too.
My LS-320 just keeps looking better with time; spec wise particularly. Honduran, Brazilian, long tenon, etc., which I doubt any of the 'vintage' LS examples have all of those specs. :)
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by mdvineng » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:27 pm

You can use Google translate for the catalogues.

See here https://www.vintagejapanguitars.com.br/ ... catalogue/
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Re: Very Expensive Vintage LS-200s ? on YJ

Post by guitar hiro » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:49 pm

mdvineng wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:27 pm
You can use Google translate for the catalogues.

See here https://www.vintagejapanguitars.com.br/ ... catalogue/


never been able to 'copy' any of the print from PDFs, to put it into a translator.
How does that work?
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