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Post by ochay » Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:01 pm

I was able to check out a real 1959 Gibson Les Paul (a Flamey!!!)and compared a 81 Love Rock LS120 - the differences....
1. '59 has long tenon
2. '59 fretmarkers ar smaller than the Tokai


That's it!!!!


the Demarzio's kicked ASS on the PAF pickups
The neck position on the LS120 was much sweeter that the PAF neck pup-

SHoot I like my LS120 at about $122,000 less --great deal !!!
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Post by spikeymikey » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:23 pm

Hi Ochay,
Was it really such a let down - the Gibson? I mean what about the overall tone and presence of the '59? You say that the Dimarzio's kicked the ass of the PAF's. You mean tonally they were better? I really don't like the Dimarzio Super Distortion Humbucker so I'm somewhat wary of the PAF version. What about the quality of the fingerboard and the overall feel?

It's interesting. You expect so much when you encounter these guitars such is their mythical status that I think it's hard to be objective.
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Post by villager » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:33 pm

mikey
the DM super distortions are horrible...the paf's are somewhat better ...but in my opinion the tokais with DiMarzio paf's deserve better PU's than the stock ones....

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Post by lespauljr » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:55 pm

I thought LS 120's have a long neck tenon??

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Post by Guitargoblin » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:03 am

I think the old LS-100/120s have what you'd call a "medium tenon", that is to say the tenon stretches about 3/4 of an inch into the cavity, but not right under the neck pup as with genuine 59s or Historics. Is that right?
Ochay or Villager should be able to confirm
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Post by tudor » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:37 am

You're right with the medium tenon ...


'79 LS120 Reborn


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Post by bruno » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:26 am

To tell you the truth I actually believe you could not see a big difference between the two...

It's strange however how most people seem to claim they can notice huge differences between old and new tokais (even high end ones).

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Post by ScottA » Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:54 pm

tudor wrote:You're right with the medium tenon ...


'79 LS120 Reborn


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Hey Roger, is that a solid top?

My LS100 has a similar thin, light band around the top edge of the pickup cavity.

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Post by ajaxlargo » Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:23 pm

So few of us will ever get to play an actual '58-'60 Les Paul, I am ALWAYS interested in hearing from those who have experience with the "real thing" ... i own and have played many vintage Fenders, Gibsons, Rickenbackers, Gretsches etc., and when i play a '64 SG i begin to imagine what a '59 LP would be like....

Can any members who have compared a Japanese copy to the real thing give us their impressions, and what they think is the closest 'clone' in terms of feel/playability/tone (i'm not as concerned with specs or looks, at least in the context of this question).

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Post by ochay » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:49 am

I played the real Flamey for about 20 min and thought while I have her her might as well compare-

I was suprised that the necks felt identical the overall vibe/sound of the real Flamey was fine--->nothing wrong with the sound-
But..when I plugged in the Love Rock the difference was amazing. The Demarzio's would let you catch harmonics all over the fretboard- whereas you had to really dig in with the PAF's .

The Real '59's --the neck wood is extended into the neck pickup cavity-the Tokai's (late 70's Early 80's) the neck wood stops at the neck pickup cavity--I don't think that makes such a big difference as the Pickups you have installed-that makes a GREAT difference.

My 2003 Historic's neck joint is a good comparison:


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Here's a 1979 LS120's neck joint---
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Post by tudor » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:57 am

Scott,

I have "borrowed" these pics from the seller ... 8) 8)

It seems so that the top is solid ... look ...



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... or did you hear of a Reborn with maple veneer - I don't know but I don't believe that there were laminated or veneer caps ... ?? :-?
... and the light band is from the out and in of the pup - the first lacquer film has been damaged a little bit ... :wink:

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Post by ochay » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:03 am

Rodger thats a sweet looking seem !!! 100% solid maple top !!!
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Post by tudor » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:19 am

ochay,

I've learned to be cautious with any trace of assertions ... 8) 8) 8)


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PS. ... and my eyes can be mistaken ... :roll:
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Post by villager » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:54 pm

tudor ..in 1980 some reborn 120's had veneer tops...

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Post by ochay » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:45 am

check out this Post in the LPF- what a bunch of dip*shits

http://www.lespaulforum.com/forum/showt ... p?t=119139
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