hello there, could someone tell me what guitar i have?

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fredy
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hello there, could someone tell me what guitar i have?

Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 4:32 am

Hello there, i have owned a "gibson" flying V for a couple of years now and i have been recently informed that i could acctually have a tokai.

The serial number is 3014364 and it is inked and stamped into the back of the head stock. There is no other writing on the guitar apart from a gibson logo and i dont think there is any writing insde the guitar but i can't really remeber.
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Any ideas what it is?
Cheers

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon May 29, 2006 6:14 am

Bolt on neck or set neck?

What, if anything is on the back of the pickups? On the tuners?

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Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 6:20 am

it has a set neck and nothing on the pickups or the machine heads, next time i change the strings i willl have a look inside.

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Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 6:22 am

the serial numbers suggests that its an '83.

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon May 29, 2006 6:32 am

Hmmm.....yours could very well be an 83.

Mine is a 67 or 68 version with a stamped, not inked serial number of 4020310 - same 7 digits as yours and according to my research, mine is an early 80's issue. My tuners are stamped with "deluxe" and p'ups have a "Tokai 57 PAF" gold sticker on the back of them. Awesome guitar purchased from a forum member (thanks Gottfried)

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Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 6:36 am

it wouldn't surprise me if the tuners have been changed, there is some clear damage to the headstock where it looks like someone was a bit careless with a drill or pushed in the new ones with a bit too much force. Also, the previous owner obviously didn't want anyone to know that the guitar was a tokai so he/she would have probably taken off the stickers on the pickups.

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Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 6:39 am

would you know how much its worth, i think i may have been ripped off a bit when i bought it, ?600 with hard case.

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon May 29, 2006 6:47 am

If it were a Gibby, I don't think you were "ripped off" price wise - in fact assuming that the exchange rate to $USD were about $900, I'd say that was a very fair price. But if it's a Tokai, you may be on the high end of it's worth now - due to the Gibson logo and lack of Tokai markings or parts in order to verify it's pedigree.

But if it sounds great and you're happy with what you paid for it, then you've accomplished what you want with any guitar purchase. Ultimately, it's worth what someone else will pay for it.

Cheers,

Marcus

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Post by fredy » Mon May 29, 2006 10:59 am

nah, it sounds awful - its very fizzy. Ive taken some pics of the guitars guts, there has definately been a sticker on the pickups.
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Thanks for the help.

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Post by marcusnieman » Mon May 29, 2006 1:34 pm

Looks like the real thing (Tokai that is). The size and shape and placement of the missing stickers is about right for the Tokai 57 PAF sticker. Mine also have the two extra screws on the back - opposite the pole piece screws.

Have you had it's electronics looked over to see where the problem lies? Are the pots scratchy when you dial them? Is the pickup selector switch crackly and does it work in all three positions?

May just need a good cleaning or the pots and/or switch might need to be switched out. You may also want to test the output on each of the p'ups to make sure that they are working correctly and to get an idea of how balanced the output is.

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Post by togps » Mon May 29, 2006 1:43 pm

marcusnieman wrote:Looks like the real thing (Tokai that is). The size and shape and placement of the missing stickers is about right for the Tokai 57 PAF sticker.
Well done, Marcus. I agree.
The pup cavities looks as well 100% identical for a Tokai, too.
fredy, hey, enjoy it.

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Post by Novosel » Tue May 30, 2006 1:10 am

The mahogony on that is gorgeous! If it's a Tokai, the build quality will definitely be there; it just needs some tweaking on the electronics side.

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Post by fredy » Tue May 30, 2006 3:57 am

its nice to clear the mystry behind my V, i will stick some bareknuckles in it one day when i have the cash to spare, they will make it sound sweeeet :D

Thanks for the help everyone

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