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hi all. anyboby ever come across a truss rod cover with the following printed on it in a slightly greyer shade of black,TSUKASA'S and underneath these words,LOVE &FREE
they are on a 1985 love rock 70f. that i got from japan last week. also what is nitrocellulose paint and how does it differ from normal laquer. any info would be appreciated
 
mike martin said:
also what is nitrocellulose paint and how does it differ from normal laquer. any info would be appreciated
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Nitro lacquer is more difficult to work with, because it has to dry longer between several applied layers, so it's more expensive in terms of man-hours worked on one guitar than polyurethan or other modern lacquers. It's also said to sound better, because it would be thinner than these finishes and the wood would be able to "breathe". I'm not so sure about that, because I haven't read any serious examinations on that issue yet. For what it's worth the shiney poly... lacquer on my 1984 LS 60 is so thin that you can see the flamed graining of the veneer making "waves" on the surface if you hold it against the light at a specific angle. And it does not feel much different from my 1981 LS 120 which probably has a nitro finish being less shiney than the LS 60.

Sorry I don't know the answer to your truss rod cover question.
 
Hi,

i fully agree with you H-J, further more nitro-laquer finish is aging with the years due to environmental influence, sunlight, sweat, stagelights etc.. :lol: .

My old Gibbys show these special crackels, only nitro coated guitars show, adds nicely to that vintage feel.

I heard a rumour goin on, Gibson only puts nitro finish on their "CS" models, normal standard series are receiving a poly finish since beginning of 2005?? :(

Greetings, Hot Rod
 
Right, I forgot to mention the natural aging of nitro finishes while polyurethan stays the same over the years. This also includes the colors, so a cherry sunburst LS 60 from the '80s still has more or less the same look while a LS 120 and higher will fade over the decades.
 
hi guys
thanks for info, but still not sure i can see the diff, only thing is that on the binding the laquer seems to be aging. but i cant tell if this guitar has had this laquer applied as a refinnished coat or an original coat. www.ebay.com 7329849989 1985 TOKAI Vintage Japan LP LOVE ROCK Flame Top LS-70 maybe someone out there knows this guitar
 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7329849989.
hi guys here is the link to my guitar
 
mike martin said:
thanks for info, but still not sure i can see the diff, only thing is that on the binding the laquer seems to be aging. but i cant tell if this guitar has had this laquer applied as a refinnished coat or an original coat.
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In the description it's mentioned that it is a special order because of the nitro lacquer finish. Usually a LS 70 wouldn't have it, as it is too expensive. And if you look closely, the lacquer is indeed not as shiney as the polyurethan finish, it's duller.
 
The only way to really tell if your fiddle has NItrocellulose is to use a little acetone- it melts it like butter- Hans all my LS120's have Nitro-so your LS120 probably does also !!
 
Although the standard finish on a LS70 would be poly, there's no reason to doubt the seller - it may very well be nitro. Nitro is considered more desireable because it's more "authentic" to original Gibson Les Pauls and other higher end guitars, but there's certainly nothing wrong with Tokai's poly laquer. My only complaint was that after 15+ years, my '84 LS60 was still showroom shiney - so I took a little 8000-grit MicroMesh to it to tone it down a bit :eek: , but I love the glassy feel of a Japanese poly neck over the stickier nitro-coated neck.

That is one beautiful axe, and I hope you get it, mike martin.
 
I also like the flamed sycamore top, it's interesting how close it looks to maple. As far as I know these woods are in the same botanic family.
 
thank again for all the input. ive no doubt to the dealers specs, just didnt know what to look for.btw i can definatly hear a diff in the tone as there is a sd59 inthe neck as my other tok has the same pu in neck and there is a big diff. but then again the other ones only 2 yaers old and also a quilt top
 
Sicomore is a very expensive wood and scarer than maple.Very appreciate in charpentier jobs.I got shocked when I investigate aboutn this wood Tokai uses. My Ls-70 sicomoro's top was not very flamed but beautiful.Tokai uses excellent wood for their guitars.
 
luis said:
Sicomore is a very expensive wood and scarer than maple.Very appreciate in charpentier jobs.I got shocked when I investigate aboutn this wood Tokai uses. My Ls-70 sicomoro's top was not very flamed but beautiful.Tokai uses excellent wood for their guitars.
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Luis, do you have any links to web sites where characteristics of wood are described etc.? I just saw a documentation on TV about german oaks and their manufacturing for different purposes, a fascinating topic...
 
mike martin said:
thank again for all the input. ive no doubt to the dealers specs, just didnt know what to look for.
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By the way, it's not stated if the sycamore top is a veneer or solid, but a LS 70 usually would have a veneer over two or three pieces of maple.

btw i can definatly hear a diff in the tone as there is a sd59 inthe neck as my other tok has the same pu in neck and there is a big diff. but then again the other ones only 2 yaers old and also a quilt top
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Yes, there are probably not two guitars that sound exactly the same, even if they were built from the same tree. Sounds trivial, but it isn't... :wink:
 
Here they are Hans,in spanish however.....
http://www.agullomaderas.com/indice1.asp?frame=tienda.asp
http://www.guitarraonline.com.ar/maderas.htm
http://www.prosono.co.za/spanish/Luthiers.html?language=spa
http://www.prosono.co.za/spanish/timbers.html?language=spa#ebony
http://www.guitarraprofesional.com/gallery/maderas
http://www.maderasbarber.com/spanish/marcosp.htm

http://www.confemadera.es/confemadera/Index.htm

Check for english version(click where you see UK or USA flag).

This is a German place Hans selling wood
http://www.gleissner-tonewood.de/English/Products/products.html
And this in english http://www.forloversofwood.com/canada/woodFrame.html
Very interesting.Click on the apropiate letter for getting woo specie you'are looking for.

I'd also recomend this book .I have one signed by Amalia Ramirez I'll keep forever.http://www.guitarrasramirez.com/index-eng.htm

Hope this helps.
 
My pleasure.I'll post some links I got in another computer as soon as I can.If you want any specie denomination from translation to english(sorry I don't speak german) I'll gladly do it for you.
 
I started with the german tonewood company, it's located in the centre of the "tonewood triangle" in Franken which was mentioned in the TV doc, too.

And the Canadian site "For lovers of wood" is great, I especially liked the letter M... :wink: I think I'm gonna buy me a "Hard Curly Maple" veneer for $3.35 and put it on everything in my appartement. :D

I also googled a bit with the terms "sycamore maple tonewood", so here are some other great sites:

http://www.woodfinder.com/woods/woodindex.php
http://www.guitarnation.com/articles/calkin.htm
http://www.buildyourguitar.com/resources/suppliers.htm
http://www2.fpl.fs.fed.us/TechSheets/techmenu.html

Furthermore these two, unfortunately only in German:

http://www.holzhandel.de/holz-abc.cfm
http://www.espen.de/
 

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