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Can someone tell me what Tokai guitar i have got ?

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:25 pm
by shahpur
hi can any body help me ,

i purchased a guitar last week for 80 pounds ,
it was a mess ( refinised body ) but sounded
amazing . When i got home i scrapped the dirt off the saddles and
it has the words FINAL PROSPEC stamped on them, which i know
that early Tokais have.

The headstock logo has been removed and replaced with a cheap looking
Fender Decal so i do not know what model it is .

But it has :

DELUXE stamped on the machineheads

Oldies but Goodies on the headstock , which maybe be a decal

L02122 stamped on the neckplate.

Original Small size fender headstock shape

the Letter U stamped on the back of the pickups which have a grey backing.

No skunk stripe

Neck adjusts at the bottom of the neck


Any help would be appreciated , thanks

Follow Up

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:50 pm
by shahpur
i just taken off the neck and on the heek it has the numbers 6 = 11

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:43 pm
by Peter Mac
Hi shahpur,

from the description i would say it is an ST-50 Goldstar Sound, probably mid-84.
Does the body cavity have a similar code? [ eg 6=11 YSO ] It would be (most likely) in the area under the control knobs.

There is a guy in England selling transfers on eBay for the Tokai models if you want to get it back to scratch

Let me know OK
Peter Mac

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 3:47 am
by ian
Yes, description clearly fits Tokai ? and original parts too, inc. pups ? if it?s the thin script style ?7? then it seems to be early type (pre-82). Sounds like you have the basis of a good guitar, and worth way more than 80 quid if it works/plays OK ? can you post some pics?. I think Peter may be referring to a place called ?The Decal Shop? http://www.thedecalshop.co.uk/ :-? .

Ian.

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:21 am
by shahpur
Thanks for the information and help.

The whole guitar has been resprayed (even the cavities) and then stripped back to the bare wood so I cannot check anything on the body.

It has Oldies but Goodies decal on the headstock but this looks like a transfer ( is that normal ?).

I have posted some pictures at

http://members.aol.com/bargains4ever/tokai1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bargains4ever/tokai2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bargains4ever/tokai3.jpg


Thanks again

shahpur

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:14 am
by javelin70
shahpur wrote:Thanks for the information and help.

It has Oldies but Goodies decal on the headstock but this looks like a transfer ( is that normal ?).


Thanks again

shahpur
Yes, it's a decal and it's probably the original one. Now you just have to remove the Fender decal and replace it with a Tokai (normally there is a clearcoat sprayed over the decals). ?80 was really cheap, I paid more for a Tokai strat maple neck with tuners!

Micke

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:48 pm
by Peter Mac
Hi guys,
Can you post a clear body shot showing the routing - this would help determine if the body is Tokai, plus the type of body wood (ash or alder)
This guitar won't be pre-82 though as the 'L-series' neck plates started in 1982, prior to then they had a 7 digit number.
All in all, for 80Pd, (AUS$220) it is a fantastic buy plus with Ian's expertise and advise you will have this baby back to its former glory i would imagine

regards
Peter mac

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:51 am
by shahpur
Here are the pictures of the body ,

http://members.aol.com/bargains4ever/tokai4.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bargains4ever/tokai5.jpg


any idea how much it is worth in this condition ?

thanks again for all the help

Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 8:48 pm
by Peter Mac
hi shuhpur

man, that body is pretty messed up. Judging by the body routing, it is genuine Tokai but will need to stripped, cleaned and re-prepared if you are going to restore it. Hopefully the 'brown' is just paint and not a stain. That silver paint is just wrong.

Value ? any-ones guess. In it's present condition - not much over what you paid for it. The resto job will be a little costly but the results will give you a smashing looking guitar and closer to it's real value.

Don't be disheartened - this will be a fabulous project to really connect to your new baby. Let us know what you intend to do, OK

regards
Peter Mac

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:40 am
by ian
It's for sale on eBay :( .

Ian.

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 3:24 am
by 20 century boy
ian wrote:It's for sale on eBay :( .

Ian.
You mean this guitar ???? :o :o :o
The guy put it on ebay?

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:00 am
by ian

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:44 am
by Peter Mac
Hey Ian,

ever had that feeling that you just got shafted :x ...This is why I am very guarded about the information I possess.

I have no problem helping players better understand the guitar they own but these 'quick buck' people really get me p***ed off
:evil:

hey ...if no-body bids on it, it will serve him right.

regards

Peter Mac

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:54 am
by 20 century boy
:o :o :o
I can't beleive it!

The bastard!!!

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 5:32 am
by ian
Ha, ? well it?s a repeat ?offence? ? lots of guys turn up here innocently asking about a guitar, without saying actual intention is to maximize a sale.

Happens on every forum. Nowadays I always assume a post like that is just looking for a free valuation/authentification, ... but I guess there?s no rule against it. :roll:

Ian.