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1979 ST-60 Springy - Jimi!!!

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:13 am
by Oshbosh
Hi,

just wanted to post some photos of my (hopefully!) 100% original 1979 ST-60.

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I will be selling this soon and will post more shots later including internals etcbut just wanted to get the photos up and see what everyone thinks as i think this is one of the prettiest Springys i've ever seen, the grain on the body makes it look like its on fire, pure Jimi!!

This is a 2 piece body but the bookmatching has been done so well its really hard to tell. Super cool serial number too, 0012354, almost in sequence!!

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:42 am
by Suki
Looks like a 1980 serial number.

A few anomalies to me:

- Odd that it has a rosewood neck but a single ply pickguard - it should have a 3 ply one for this type - would be interesting to see if there are 11 holes underneath.

- Stamp on the fretboard is missing.

- Round string tree should be butterfly for this neck afaik.

- Decal looks applied on top of the lacquer - should it be underneath for this year? Can anyone else confirm? I see pics on the internet of both.

- Dots on 12th fret are too far apart - again I can see conflicting info on this. All my Tokai strats with rosewood boards have the markers closer together. Again, can anyone with more knowledge of this year confirm?

Would be interested to see the insides - do the body and neck codes match? Are the pickups U or E stamped?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:42 am
by marcusnieman
My 80 springy had a single ply pickguard with rosewood board - as is period correct to Fender with a two color burst. Three color bursts generally had 3 ply guards as the 60's fenders did.

Mine also had no stamp on the fretboard and mine did have the butterfly string tree:

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:59 am
by Suki
Very interesting - so I guess the only way to ascertain whether or not this is a ST-50 or an ST-60 would be the E pickups?

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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:14 am
by marcusnieman
Suki wrote:Very interesting - so I guess the only way to ascertain whether or not this is a ST-50 or an ST-60 would be the E pickups?

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ST60's show up with both E's and U's too. :wink:

But yeah, that pretty Springy needs to be opened up to see what's under the hood - neck and neck pocket too.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:21 am
by Suki
OK - so in this case, what other identifying feature does an ST-60 have over an ST 50, bearing in mind many burst finish 50's had 2 peice bodies?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:23 pm
by jonah65
soft vee neck?, or was that just on the 4 digit ser.no. ones?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:15 pm
by marcusnieman
jonah65 wrote:soft vee neck?, or was that just on the 4 digit ser.no. ones?


V neck = ST80

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:23 pm
by marcusnieman
Suki wrote:OK - so in this case, what other identifying feature does an ST-60 have over an ST 50, bearing in mind many burst finish 50's had 2 peice bodies?

http://www.tokaiguitar.de/1.php?pageid=13&tplid=2

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:45 am
by jonah65
my st60's got a v neck, and the '60' sticker.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:53 am
by jonah65
also, in the link you put up, it says "st60 vintage v neck"

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:37 am
by marcusnieman
We all know there are some anomalies with Tokai's - I didn't catch the V neck reference for the ST60's in the link I sent and I'd have to say I disagree with that. Everyone of the three ST60's I've had (and I still have a 1978) came with C shaped necks.

It's pretty well accepted that MOST ALL 60's had C shaped necks and that V necks were found on ST80's - in fact, it was one of the things that helped determine the difference - which puzzled the hell out of me because the one ST80 I'd owned (stamped fretboard) was a rounded C profile - it was later determined that it probably was an ST70 and stamped incorrectly.


So it's not an exact science - there are some quirks but I think we all grasp the basic identifying factors.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:17 pm
by bluejeannot
Goldie st 60s with maple necks are V carved.Not Springys.

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:46 pm
by Peter Mac
Hi Jonah,

that was my bad - I did those pages years and years ago.

For the record . . .
Springy ST-60 had 'U' necks and 'E' pups with poly finish.
Goldstar ST-60 had 'V' necks with 'E' pup and poly finish.
This refers to Maple necks only.

The chart was originally for both models but has since been seperated.

IMO, the bodies for both 50's and 60's were the same construction-wise.
There are examples of Springy 50 with 2 pce and 60's with 3 piece bodys - especially when it came to alder.

Alder is one of the few Premium tone woods that is not affected by a multipiece body tone-wise. It is not the case with Ash or Mahogany, which is why people make a big deal about it being that those two are quite expensive.

Peter Mac

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:07 pm
by Mojo Pin
Are the rosewood necked Springys the same spec as the maple ones? eg v for ST80 & 100, U for ST50 & 60.