Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

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Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:21 am

Hey, my name is Markus and I'm new to the tokaiforum.

I'm (among a few other Tokais) owner of a 1981 Tokai ES 100 (R/J? don't know)

The red label with model and serial # sadly is gone.
I managed to make a quite good replica of the label, but dunno what pickups my ES is equipped with.

Is there a way to identify wether it is the Jazz or Rock version pickups? Looks of the baseplate, any markings, color of wiring... Or maybe DC-resistance is signinificantly different to determine pickup type?

If any information is recquired, I can take pictures or measurements.

Your help is much appreciated!

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by villager » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:24 am

measure the output...

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:52 am

villager wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:24 am
measure the output...
hmmm.. The more string vibration, the higher the output.
Should be a few millivolt, depending on the attack, no matter what kind of pickup is installed.

Or do you mean DC resitance?

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by villager » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:09 am

yes the resistance...

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:45 am

DC-resistance is:

bridge - 8.17 k

neck - 8.19 k

Are any other owners of vintage Es100's so kind to compare if their pickups of R / J - type are in the same range?

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by villager » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:11 am

probably R then as J were nearer 7-7.5

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:03 am

Thank you for your input.

Pulled out my pickups today.
These are Goto's with a brass baseplate, ink stamped "Patent applied for - made by goto"

When i got information gathered correctly from numerous pages on the net, i assume, J type pickups come with a silver baseplate and no further markings. But i'm not sure about that, never found a pic from the bottom side of a J type pickup.

Maybe someone is able / willing to look? :roll:

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Emiel » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:03 am

Here are the pickups from my '81 ES100J.

They measure 8.21 and 8.50K... but they don't exactly sound and feel that powerful. I guess the magnets are not that strong...

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:35 am

👍 Thank you for sharing!

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by marcusnieman » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:53 am

My name is also Marcus and I have an 81 ES100J.
As stated above, the only real distinguishing factors between the two pickup options are that the R pickups are hotter / higher in output.
Been a long time since I checked but my output on both pickups was below 8K

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by Johnny Sylvester » Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:53 am

Maybe production wasnt 100 % consistant and the resistance varies lightly, but the R model obviously carries Goto PAFs.

Here is a picture, not from my guitar, but this is exactly how they look

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Re: Distinguish ES 100 R/J pickups

Post by hunter » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:30 am

My 81 ES100J....Resistance 8.1k and 8.3k but readings were taken from output jack through cable.

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