Trouble Dating my axe..

Tokai guitar discussion

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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri Apr 06, 2001 11:07 pm

serial number is 1-1-0-2-0-0-6

i have looked thru the 'date yo axe' section in the gibson section but can find no 7 digit equivalent of years. If any of you can help me, please reply, =-)

spec:
LP classic with stock ceramic magnet pickup
honeyburst, etc (my details are in the gibson db section)

happy axing,
mizu

Guest

Post by Guest » Tue Jun 12, 2001 2:04 pm

Tokai Love Rock Model #1102006
LS-50 (1982)
Vintage Cherry Burst
w/ modified pickups

[Anonymously Posted by: 'toneshun']

Guest

Post by Guest » Fri Aug 10, 2001 10:36 pm

I can get a ST-65 Tokai,but I don,t know anything about this model.Anybody can help me?There is no such on catalogues in this site.I was told by salesman he couldn,t tell me body wood was made,but this was a japanese guitar.The price asked is 19800 yen used.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'luis']

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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 12, 2001 3:54 am

Luis, that price converts to approx $162 (US), if its in any shape at all I would buy it. The 65 indicated that the guitar is a replica of a 1965 Fender model (not sure if its a Tele or Strat). The date can be approximated by the headstock and logo script. If they are exactly like a Fender then the guitar was made sometime before '84-'81, if the headstock is only similar then after those dates.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Ned']

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Aug 12, 2001 10:44 am

Ned,the serial number is L-30603.Could this means any similar to Fender L series?

[Anonymously Posted by: 'luis']

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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 12, 2001 12:48 pm

Ned - re your point about the '65' in ST-65 representing 1965 as the replica year. I don't think this is true - as far as I can see, for all Tokai models since the dawn of time, the figure is the retail price of the guitar in Yen. LS-320 = Y320,000, ES-100 - Y100,000, etc. Certainly it's the way all the Tokai catalogues work

Barry

[Anonymously Posted by: 'barry']

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Aug 12, 2001 4:39 pm

Barry,

I think that scheme only applies to the Gibson replicas. I believe the number in the Fender reps indicate which year is copied.

Luis, Not sure about the L.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Ned']

Guest

Post by Guest » Wed Aug 15, 2001 8:40 am

The ST-65 was a AST-56 really.I asked salesman again and he was a mistake.The colour is vintage white.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'luis']

Guest

Post by Guest » Thu Aug 16, 2001 4:39 am

Let us know if you make the purchase.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Ned']

Guest

Post by Guest » Mon Aug 20, 2001 1:53 pm

Hi Ned

Re the model numbering, I'm 99% convinced; it's certainly a source of confusion amongst owners and traders alike. Check the catalogues that have prices on your site, and you can see that the Fender clones (ST, TE, PB, JB) also have the same Yen-model number relationship as the Gibsons.

I had always wondered why there was (and still is) a "50" sticker on the back of my early 1980s, owned from new, Tokai Strat, when it's obviously a rosewood neck 1962 Strat replica, not a 1950s replica. It's clear to me now that it's an ST-50.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'barry']

Guest

Post by Guest » Mon Aug 20, 2001 2:54 pm

No problem. That makes sense, for some reason the rosewood neck on a 50's model never caught my attention but I should definately know better.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'ned']

Guest

Post by Guest » Tue Aug 21, 2001 5:33 pm

I've got a "50" sticker on the back of the headstock on my guitar too, however my guitar is a Love Rock so that would dispel the ST-50 theory.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'kent']

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 22, 2001 4:31 am

Just read an article and I'm waiting for the author to give me permission to post it on the site. But the Fender replicas TST-56 and TST-62 refer to the year being copied.

The water seems to be getting murkier instead of clearer with this issue.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Ned']

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Post by Guest » Mon Aug 27, 2001 9:34 am

Hi Ned,
Looks like your move went well! I wanted to add something to the confusion...I have 2 ast62's and 2 ast 56's , 3 of them I bought here in Dallas at Whittle Music in Oak Lawn in 1981 they are all made in Japan! I recently bought a Fiesta Red AST 56 on E bay for $350 it also is a made in Japan from 80-81 ...Until Mikes started selling them on line I was not aware of the Korean Guitars/ Love Rocks etc... My early 80's Love Rock LS70 flame top burst #5025124 is from what year? Huh? Thanks!

[Anonymously Posted by: 'mark harvey']

Guest

Post by Guest » Mon Aug 27, 2001 9:44 am

Mark,

I think the A=Korea is a relatively new thing, although not sure when exactly.

Yes move went well and we are now finally settled in and loving Austin.

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Ned']

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