80's, 90's, or Les Paul Reborn?

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Funchadelik
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80's, 90's, or Les Paul Reborn?

Post by Funchadelik » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:21 pm

Hi!
I've had this for years and can't place the year or model other than assuming it's an LS.

Best of my knowledge, I'm the 4th owner. I acquired it around '98. There's been modifications to the head stock inlays, nut, keys, and the rear pickup was replaced with a DiMarzio.

The head stock itself looks like it has been cut and reattached (see close-up's). I had the pots and input rewired recently. Two of the pots are original (I believe) but there is no sign of a serial number anywhere on the body which I can find.

Any opinions, ideas, or help to solve this ongoing mystery is appreciated.

Thanks!

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Post by brokentoes » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:50 pm

If i had to guess that its a refashioned Tokai of some sort it would be a Made in Korea one. They had no serials and white/cream back plastics. Bridge posts also seem Korean

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Post by Funchadelik » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:27 am

brokentoes wrote:If i had to guess that its a refashioned Tokai of some sort it would be a Made in Korea one. They had no serials and white/cream back plastics. Bridge posts also seem Korean
Thanks. I'm almost certain it's MIJ, only because I knew the previous owner in 96 and this pre-dates that.

Also the headstock itself has that open book style, which, to the best of my knowledge the MIK's had a "point" in the headstock design and didn't begin production until late 90's.

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Post by mdvineng » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:23 pm

Joint looks like a typicsl scarf. I'm now convinced it's not a Tokai.


the quality is awful now that I can see it on my pc screen instead of my moby.
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Post by le juge » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:53 pm

I agree with the fact it should be Korean made.

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Post by Paladin2019 » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:47 pm

Bridge posts, tailpiece alignment, neck joint, electronics cavity, black plates - all point to Korean-made.

It's not a Tokai headstock. The original tuners were not the Kluson style. The holes are in the wrong place, there's no hole in the right place, and the residue profile is all wrong. Looks like they were cheap crap. With it's history I guess it could have had another head glued on after a disastrous break.

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Post by Paladin2019 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:32 pm

Good call, tuners and neck joint and even pickups are a match!

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Post by Funchadelik » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:04 pm

Wow! That's a good eye. I'm convinced you nailed it. Thank you!

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Post by -Alan- » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:17 pm

If that is a Hondo - interesting that both it and the one on Reverb have got the same joint line across the back of the headstock where it joins the neck.

Hard to imagine both were broken and repaired in almost exactly the same way.

Is that perhaps just the way they were manufactured, with the headstocks being made as a separate component, then joined to the neck ?

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Post by mdvineng » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:12 pm

-Alan- wrote:If that is a Hondo - interesting that both it and the one on Reverb have got the same joint line across the back of the headstock where it joins the neck.

Hard to imagine both were broken and repaired in almost exactly the same way.

Is that perhaps just the way they were manufactured, with the headstocks being made as a separate component, then joined to the neck ?
See my first post on this topic

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Post by -Alan- » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:39 pm

Yeah I read it.

Doesn't answer the question though. You said yours looks like there's been. a repair - my question is whether it's likely that both were damaged and repaired in almost exactly the same way or whether there's another possible or probable explanation ?

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Post by mdvineng » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:49 pm

A scarf joint is typical method of joining and not necessarily a repair

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Post by -Alan- » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:12 am

Had to google to see what a scarf joint actually is there :)

Based on the similarity between those two joins on the headstocks and the finishes on each, it looks very much to me like they could very well have come out of the factory that way.

To the OP - my apologies, I misquoted you: it was somebody else who suggested the headstock had been repaired, sorry.

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